 Poster: A snowHead
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Dont know if this is an equipment or a technique issue...
I got new boots last season... with custom made insoles.
They appear to be a great fit and are very comfortable for the first few hours.... But after about 4 hours I start to get agonising pain - seems to be under the balls of my feet. If I undo my boots and ski like that.... it eases (but that isnt terribly safe!) and if I undo, lift my foot a bit, and sit down for 5-10 mins it eases (but that holds up the rest of the party!)
Any ideas? Is it something I am doing technique-wise or do I have a foot problem?
Anyone else had similar and any ideas how to solve - Have a hunch new boots/insoles is not the answer.. I'm convinced they are a good fit - not too big and not too small.
Thanks
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On the reccomendation of a very satisfied customer I suggest that you find a way of going to Bicester to consult Colin Martin who is a fully qualified pedorthist as well as a very experienced boot fitter. His deatils are here www.solutions4feet.com.
and before someone asks no I am not on commission! just a happy customer 
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jayne durham,
as usual it is difficult to say without seeing your feet, but it sounds like it could be a probelm with the amount of ankle flex you have...not in the boot but the available range in your ankle, or one of the 101 other thinga that go on with thw foot when inside a skki boot, if it is flexion this is something that can be worked on with stretching or the use of a heel lift in the boots, if it is something more then a different appoach may be required.
sorry i can't really offer much more via the web but this bootfittin glark is a bit touchy feely
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jayne durham, I used to have a similar problem and got zero help from doctors, podiatrists etc. I eventually gave up asking the experts, worked out that it only (well, mainly) happened when it was warmer, got thin socks and it's loads better. that is I use Quality Seconds 3 pairs for £2 socks in very warm weather. A client of mine, having the same problem also found the same cure worked. It might not be that, but it worth a try! BTW my feet don't feel hot anywhere except the burning pain under the balls of the feet!
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jayne durham, there are, as the previous replies indicate, a number of possible reasons for this. Let me add another... if your boots were not balanced by a boot balancing specialist (as opposed to the typical "boot fitter"), it is possible that you are set up in the boots with most of your weight on the balls of your feet. As a result, depending on the rest of your fit, you may get undue pressure and/or friction at those points. I strongly suspect that this is your issue. The suggestions above are various ways of experimenting, but the very best thing to do is to have a boot balancing specialist look at your fore/aft balance in the boots, including the boot board ramp and forward lean angles.
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ssh, which is directly related to lack of flexion in the ankle.... if the Gastrocnemeus muscle is tight the heel will lift and the pressure will be transfered to the ball of the feet, this can be acentuated by the cuff angle of the boot. Boot balance is very important but a basic lack of flexion is the single most destructive force i encounter when fitting boots...but then again over 80% of people in the western developed world don't actually have the appropriate amount of flexion in the calf muscles and an extensor muscle group which is balanced to this 
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| CEM wrote: |
| ssh, which is directly related to lack of flexion in the ankle.... if the Gastrocnemeus muscle is tight the heel will lift and the pressure will be transfered to the ball of the feet, this can be acentuated by the cuff angle of the boot. Boot balance is very important but a basic lack of flexion is the single most destructive force i encounter when fitting boots...but then again over 80% of people in the western developed world actually have the appropriate amount of flexion in the calf muscles and an extensor muscle group which is balanced to this |
Ok I think I'm in the 0ther 20%
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little tiger, lucky you
one of the tests for this [it does not seperate muscles but is an oveall indicator] is can you do a deep asian squat..... stand feet no wider than shoulder width apart, squat down and sit on your calf muscles WITHOUT your heels raising from the floor
good luck & feel the burn
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CEM, OK I'm confused. I certainly can't squat without my heels lifting - so does that mean I do or I don't have enough ankle flexion? But isn't that just to do with CoG?
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CEM, my grandad sat like that every day of his life. Outside the back door, having a smoke.
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eng_ch, it means that there is disbalnce between your extensor muscles [front of the leg] and the triceps suri [back of the leg] where do you feel the tension, in your calves or on the front of the leg on your shins?
if you go to india or any other country in the indian sub continent look at how they all sit, for hours on end they all sit in the deep squat
i am not sure exactly what causes the lack of balance or flexiblity but i suspect that it is is something to do with the way we are taught to sit from an early age[ cross legged]
it is one of the series of tests we use for biomechanical profiling, there is another one [girls only] which detemines connective tissue laxity, if you can passively dorsifex your little finger to 90degrees or more then there is a likelyhood that you can have hypermobility on other joints namely the foot, which will lead to excessive pronation ....this was a test used back in the good old days when east germany existed and they were winning every medal in gymnastics...the test was used to select gymnasts at an early age
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without shoes - No hope... cannot get close to calves as I can barely get knee bent past 90degrees before I tip over... both front and back of legs scream blue murder - then I fall down...
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little tiger, so not quite a flexible as you thought of about 70 peopel i have seen for a biomechanical profiling since the summer only 6or7 have been able to do it fully, the magority of those who can't have a tight gastoc or soleus the remainder have a boney blockade at the ankle
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You know it makes sense.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| CEM wrote: |
| little tiger, so not quite a flexible as you thought of about 70 peopel i have seen for a biomechanical profiling since the summer only 6or7 have been able to do it fully, the magority of those who can't have a tight gastoc or soleus the remainder have a boney blockade at the ankle |
no exactly as i said - I'm in the 20% that DON'T have appropriate flexion in ankles.... and i sure KNOW about it... iit sucks!
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| CEM wrote: |
| .but then again over 80% of people in the western developed world actually have the appropriate amount of flexion in the calf muscles and an extensor muscle group which is balanced to this |
see NOT in this 80%
hence the OTHER 20%..
or has my english comprehension taken a nose dive lately
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maggi, do pilates or yoga do you?? you ARE in the minority [ of people you can do it,rather than rubbish skiers]
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OTOH if i "cheat" and use my orthotics and trail walking shoes I get almost there....
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little tiger, that is definatly cheating you trail shoe will have at least a 1/2" heel on it
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CEM, I do yoga. Couple of years ago, I stayed in a chalet in Tignes (late deal) where the majority of guests were on the Snoworks course. In the evening in the lounge they did yoga like exercises. They were, for the most part, crap. I could have showed them a thing or two in the lounge! Unfortunately, where it counts, on the slopes, they were the winners. Still, it's nice to be better at something  .
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MUCH MORE....
I have a 12mm leg length discreepancy....
so the bad leg gets 6mm from the orthotic....
and the shoe is around 3/4 of an inch maybe?? quite high anyway...
I have crap dorsiflexion.... when my ski instructor insisted and I worked on it all summer i could just get to a decent sort of flex in the ankle... my physio swears I have killed all the ligaments years ago by falling off my feet.... he says the whole ankle is locked up from that....
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little tiger, so you will have fairly stiff boots with an upright stance to make things easier for you
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I have a knee that only bends to 110 degrees, but I'm sure the lovely boot boys will sort me out on Monday 
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You know it makes sense.
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Frosty the Snowman, hows your head
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Poster: A snowHead
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| CEM wrote: |
| little tiger, so you will have fairly stiff boots with an upright stance to make things easier for you |
mummble mumble boots, mumble mumble footbeds.... mumble mumble bootfitters(especially SOREFOOT)...mumble mumble mumble...
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| CEM wrote: |
| one of the tests for this [it does not seperate muscles but is an oveall indicator] is can you do a deep asian squat..... stand feet no wider than shoulder width apart, squat down and sit on your calf muscles WITHOUT your heels raising from the floor |
Can't do this  feel the burn in the backs of the calves!
I always wondered how guys in India could squat like this
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I always wondered how guys in India could squat like this
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cathy, If you had seen an Indian public convenience you would know 
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cathy, your problem with the burning in the calves is tension in those muscles...try doing a straight leg calf stretch holding for 30-40 seconds ...make sure the foot is straight ahead not rotated, 3x each leg 3 x daily and you should feel a difference in a few weeks [ any pain in the ankle and you should stop doing the strech]
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CEM, I do do calf and ankle stretches at the gym - although that's not daily never mind 3 times a day! But I shall try to do that as you suggest - when I can do my Asian squat I'll know I've succeeded
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cathy, Note the length of time CEM, suggests. Most folks give it about 10 seconds and then pack in.
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