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While more and more small ski areas are disappearing in Central Europe and the large ski areas are mainly investing in modernization, completely new resorts are still being built elsewhere in the world. China has clearly been a pioneer in opening new ski areas in recent years .and there is a huge project in Kyrgyzstan that leaves the existing ski areas in the country far behind.
Ukraine is probably the last country you would currently associate with millions of investments in winter sports. However, this country has started the construction of a new resort that will cost at least 1.5 billion dollars, according to
https://www.ukrainetravelnews.com/new-all-season-goro-mountain-resort-to-be-built-in-lviv-region/
One of the largest infrastructure investments ever
Delayed by the pandemic and the Russian invasion in 2022, GORO Mountain Resort is one of the largest tourism infrastructure investments in Ukraine’s history. The resort covers almost 1,200 hectares, of which 360 hectares are dedicated to ski infrastructure and over 800 hectares to hotels, commercial and recreational facilities. Highlights include Ukraine’s first gondola lift, which will be 2.8 km long, and the country’s longest ski slope, with a length of 3.8 km.
The plans also include 25 hotels with a total of 5,500 rooms, with the first phase involving the construction of five hotel complexes offering more than 1,100 rooms across 20 hectares of the site. Completion of this first phase is expected between 2028 and 2029, with construction of the rest of the area still in full swing, with completion expected within 15 years (before 2039).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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be calm, all those money will be spent, but not on resort building.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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650m? They must have missed the memo on climate change.
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@Pyramus, how familiar are you with Ukraine's climate though? 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Pyramus, Lviv climate. Quote "The cold season lasts for 3.6 months, from 21 November to 9 March, with an average daily high temperature below 4°C. The coldest month of the year in Lviv is January, with an average low of -6°C and high of -0°C."
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Ive heard there is a war going on and they are building ski resort? Im I missing anything? Will anyone go to Ukraine for skiing?
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| @Pyramus, Lviv climate. Quote "The cold season lasts for 3.6 months, from 21 November to 9 March, with an average daily high temperature below 4°C. The coldest month of the year in Lviv is January, with an average low of -6°C and high of -0°C." |
Yes it's cold but according to Google not particularly snowy:
"The month with the most snow in Lviv is February, with an average snowfall of 4.3 inches."
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My wife and in-laws are all from Ternopil region. So actually I’m quite familiar….
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Good answer, @Pyramus.
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@ed48, they started building Val d'Iseres first cable car up to Solaise during WW2
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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It used to be -20c + in the winters, now it’s an event to actually see snow.
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I will take your word for it there is less snow now than before. However, I think the science suggests that extremely low temperatures are not great for snow. In kyrgyzstan the trend has definitely been more snow since the winters got a bit warmer. Supposedly -9c is the sweet spot for maximum moisture in the air and where the idea of "too cold to snow" comes from.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Presumably the snow will be predominantly artificial in which case dry, cold and stable air is ideal. Just need a slope and a plentiful supply of water and power.
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So do we get free skiing there since we (UK tax payers) are funding it?
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You know it makes sense.
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
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It used to be -20c + in the winters, now it’s an event to actually see snow.
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I will take your word for it there is less snow now than before. However, I think the science suggests that extremely low temperatures are not great for snow. In kyrgyzstan the trend has definitely been more snow since the winters got a bit warmer. Supposedly -9c is the sweet spot for maximum moisture in the air and where the idea of "too cold to snow" comes from. |
-7 C is the perfect temperature for the six-sided dendrite flake we associate with winter.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I lived in Mongolia for two winters where -20C was normal, snow was very rare. When it fell it stayed for weeks. But useless for skiing in those temperatures, it didn’t bind together, was like fine sand.
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Poster: A snowHead
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The amount of precipitation a place gets is more related to its location in relation to oceans and ocean currents etc than to temperature. There are cold deserts as well as hot ones.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I lived in Mongolia for two winters where -20C was normal, snow was very rare. When it fell it stayed for weeks. But useless for skiing in those temperatures, it didn’t bind together, was like fine sand.
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I think they call that 'champagne powder' in America: https://thebestskiresorts.info/what-is-champagne-powder/
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Orange200 wrote: |
| useless for skiing in those temperatures, it didn’t bind together, |
I’m struggling to make the connection between “bind together” with “useless for skiing”. 
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I think what @Orange200, is referring to us faceted snow. It can happen, when you have very cold air temperatures and no/very small snowpack creating a big temperature gradient. You end up with something resembling sugar. I wouldn't go as far as to say it's useless for skiing - imo it's not a million miles away from spring corn, it's certainly not powder. The bigger issue is it creating a PWL.
But if you do get snow falling on a decent base at very cold temperatures it tends to be the super light powder which is a dream to ski.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Pyramus, OK, fair enough! That's a shame (re. the climate and impact for skiing).
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Well forgive my poor choice of words. Perhaps @boarder2020s addition is correct, little snow pack/ no base. It falls sometimes, stays, and is eventually blown away by winds. I was only supporting comments that very cold does not always mean good skiing conditions.
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
| So do we get free skiing there since we (UK tax payers) are funding it? |
You are not funding it, it's a private 15+ years project by OKKO Group - a large conglomerate that owns a chain of petrol stations among other things.
People are starting to plan for the long term recovery of the country and it's economy. Is that a bad thing in your opinion?
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| @Pyramus, Lviv climate. Quote "The cold season lasts for 3.6 months, from 21 November to 9 March, with an average daily high temperature below 4°C. The coldest month of the year in Lviv is January, with an average low of -6°C and high of -0°C." |
Yes it's cold but according to Google not particularly snowy:
"The month with the most snow in Lviv is February, with an average snowfall of 4.3 inches." |
Lviv itself is at about 200m above sea level. Ukrainian Carpathian Mountains are not that high, for example Bukovel's top lifts are just barely above 1200, yet it's a lively all season resort.
It's true that Ukraine's winter climate has changed drastically over the last 30 years - I grew up in lowlands and even we were getting consistent winter wonderland with knee (sometimes waste) high weekly snowfalls and ice skating on frozen lakes and rivers.
These days no one goes ice skating any more and a good snowfall in the low regions is a once in a season event. However up in the mountains they still get good snowfalls.
May be one day there will be Sh bash in Ukraine, who knows 
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| Oleski wrote: |
| Mike Pow wrote: |
| So do we get free skiing there since we (UK tax payers) are funding it? |
You are not funding it, it's a private 15+ years project by OKKO Group - a large conglomerate that owns a chain of petrol stations among other things.
People are starting to plan for the long term recovery of the country and it's economy. Is that a bad thing in your opinion? |
Perhaps they should be funding the war effort instead
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
| Oleski wrote: |
| Mike Pow wrote: |
| So do we get free skiing there since we (UK tax payers) are funding it? |
You are not funding it, it's a private 15+ years project by OKKO Group - a large conglomerate that owns a chain of petrol stations among other things.
People are starting to plan for the long term recovery of the country and it's economy. Is that a bad thing in your opinion? |
Perhaps they should be funding the war effort instead |
What makes you think they don't? They pay taxes and run their own drone supply programme in cooperation with the "Come back alive" initiative.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Oleski wrote: |
| Mike Pow wrote: |
| Oleski wrote: |
| Mike Pow wrote: |
| So do we get free skiing there since we (UK tax payers) are funding it? |
You are not funding it, it's a private 15+ years project by OKKO Group - a large conglomerate that owns a chain of petrol stations among other things.
People are starting to plan for the long term recovery of the country and it's economy. Is that a bad thing in your opinion? |
Perhaps they should be funding the war effort instead |
What makes you think they don't? They pay taxes and run their own drone supply programme in cooperation with the "Come back alive" initiative. |
Good for them
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