 Poster: A snowHead
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Just hope that there is still the ability to download the maps and overlays etc
Thank you for being a dedicated member of the FATMAP community. Since we started FATMAP 10 years ago, your outdoor adventures and expeditions have made FATMAP the world's most powerful 3D map.
We're integrating FATMAP features into Strava and will retire the FATMAP app and website on October 1, 2024.
Until then, you can use all the FATMAP features you currently enjoy.
After October 1, the app and website will be shutdown, and all account data will be permanently deleted.
You can transfer your routes to Strava or export your data until October 1, 2024.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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This is very disappointing.
They have made it so you can see 3D on strava now but there doesn't seem to be any navigation tools to rotate and move your view to see different aspects.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Very disappointing. I’ve no interest in Strava, and hope the FATMAP functionality isn’t crippled without a Strava subscription.
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Guess it is back to guidebooks and pictures....
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Just had a quick look on Strava (cycling, though hardly serious stuff usually about 150 - 200km on the flat!! a week in summer) and cant see any ski options which could well be down to my own incompetence in using the app. I can see this would be irritating if you dont have a Strava subscription but if you do this could be a useful addition.
@afterski, Just had a look at the 3D map option (no real point if cycling) and I cant see it would be much use for off piste skiing or mountaineering though perhaps I am not using it properly.
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I too find it a tad frustrating and I subscribe to both!
The app on the phone is great for when I'm in sectors that I don't know and plan ski-tour routes etc based on terrain aspects, though on the whole if you follow IGN ski-tour routing and are sensible you can't go too wrong.
The FatMap app can also be very good for looking at potential free-ride routes in resort, but not all resorts have these, and also if you're in a new area you can look at popular routes for all disciplines, again useful and I looked at these when I was in Embrun for a couple of weeks recently.
I do use Strava for planning routes, mainly trail running, though cycling if I'm in a new area and then bring those into various apps and onto my watch to navigate. I also use it a lot to look back at previous times on big rides if I'm contemplating them again to remind myself of the length of pain I'm letting myself in for.
And then only this week did a trail run up behind us and I thought I was going well and was able to look back and see how good the time was in terms of previous times over the years along with power / hr output etc
It's going to be, I think a big ask to get all the Fatmap subscriber functionality into the Strava App which is already a little clunky when comparing it to the desktop functionality.
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@Weathercam, Have you managed to link your two accounts? As far as I can see you should be able to "add" Fatmap to Strava but every time I try it fails
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I use FM but not Strava, I’m hopeful that it’s not a bad move. I perhaps niaively assumed we will have all the features of Strava and FM in one app for not much more than the cost of FMs.
Anyways there is a 6 month free go for existing FM subscribers so I can try this winter for free
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I suspect the number of people wanting both is fairly limited. My runner and cyclist friends certainly have no interest in fatmap. Similarly the guys I know who do a lot of ski touring and use fatmap have no interest in Strava.
Even for people that do use both I can't see any real benefit to having them in a single app. It's a hassle for those of us that have built up a bit of a fatmap library of routes (yes we can download the gpxs, but fatmap visualisations and overlays are particularly good). I do worry that some functionality will be lost, for example the avalanche overlay is something I use a lot for planning routes, but I suspect has little interest to the vast majority of Strava users so probably an easy thing to cut.
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I've used Komoot recently for some mountain biking and hiking in North Yorkshire. Pretty good app too. Better for route discovery than Strava in my opinion. At least for non technical basic stuff.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@boarder2020, I assume that Strava has bought Fatmap for its mapping and 3d tech rather than its community or trail details.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
I suspect the number of people wanting both is fairly limited. My runner and cyclist friends certainly have no interest in fatmap. Similarly the guys I know who do a lot of ski touring and use fatmap have no interest in Strava.
Even for people that do use both I can't see any real benefit to having them in a single app. It's a hassle for those of us that have built up a bit of a fatmap library of routes (yes we can download the gpxs, but fatmap visualisations and overlays are particularly good). I do worry that some functionality will be lost, for example the avalanche overlay is something I use a lot for planning routes, but I suspect has little interest to the vast majority of Strava users so probably an easy thing to cut. |
I use FM sometimes for running or hiking routes, but I would not buy it for that - I bought it for skiing and the other stuff is a bonus. Hopefully the ski specific functionality will not be lost
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@boarder2020, think you're forgetting about the overlap between XC skiers, especially Scandis, who ski tour as well and in the Summer turn their attention to other sports but relish the XC side of Strava, well at least judging by the sample of the Scandis I know; and you only have to look at the Vasoloppet numbers.
A good few years ago when I obviously missed an email from Garmin about an upgrade I lost all my data from the early days of GPS and no longer have a diary record of what I was doing pre 2013 which is where I think my Strava goes back to.
All my FM activities are ported in from Strava but routes I'll take a look at as
@munich_irish, I have not tried syncing the two accounts yet.
Actually just checked and my first Lautaret from home was back in 2012!!
Tell a lie just looked at a segment I created "Home to Lautaret" of which I've ridden it 98x and the first was in 2011 
And my first descent Lautaret to Monetier (12.75km) was quite slow compared to now, though I've eased off a bit now but my PB is still a respectable 566 (12:24) out of 41k with a certain T Pidcock 8th at 10:05 and if I had better gearing so I wasn't spinning out???!!!
Further edit.....
Your transfer of FATMAP routes to your connected Strava account requested on June 25 at 8:35 PM has been processed and your routes should appear in Strava within 24 hours. If you subsequently add more routes to FATMAP, you can request to repeat this transfer process by clicking here.
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You know it makes sense.
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I have a paid Fatmap subscription, anyone know if the OS, IGN etc maps are being moved to Strava? Couldn't find anything online that said either way this morning, access to that is the main reason I decided to stump up the annual fee so pretty pointless if they go.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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[quote="DaveyGTi".... anyone know if the OS, IGN etc maps are being moved to Strava....[/quote]
Feck, that's a damn good point 
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Poster: A snowHead
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I’ve had FM subscription for a few years. Also have Outdooractive pro subscription, which has loads of quality national topo maps (ign, os, Swiss, norgeskart etc). OA have proper Austrian topo maps which FM don’t.
OA have added avalanche layers etc and while they don’t quite have the whizzy visualisation offered by FM, it’s fine for route planning.
Will be interested to see what Strava looks like in a few months time…
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I didn't read the email as Strava will be updated by October. Just that FATmap itself will be gone.
If other tech merges are anything to go by this will take a couple of years at least.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I've mainly used FATMAP for planning hiking routes, but I am a Strava devotee. I don't use Facebook, Instagram, but love Strava. I love seeing people's runs, rides or swims from around the world (lot of friends in the Alps, but also US, Australia, NZ etc). In lockdown, I lived vicariously through Strava...
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@DaveyGTi, @Weathercam, if you're Android based, have a look at AlpineQuest which is excellent.
It's got access to masses of mapping, (I've got (free) access to OS & IGN). It's got loads of functionality - you can even take a JPEG image of a map and geolocate 4 corners to the underlying base map to create your own map
You can create workspaces which you can have multiple map layers loaded for different parts of the world, and easily switch between workspaces returning to where you were on the previous one without having to load/unload the other maps
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| afterski wrote: |
I didn't read the email as Strava will be updated by October. Just that FATmap itself will be gone.
If other tech merges are anything to go by this will take a couple of years at least. |
What would be the point for Strava in doing that? Why not keep FM going and get revenue if they are not able to incorporate it yet. Otherwise people will migrate to other services
From their email this week
“Over the next several months, we’ll bring many of FATMAP’s 3D maps and other features to Strava to create the world’s best platform for planning, navigating, and sharing outdoor adventures with the largest global community of active people”
I doubt everything will be incorporated but it sounds like some aspects soon
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| geoffers wrote: |
@DaveyGTi, @Weathercam, if you're Android based, have a look at AlpineQuest which is excellent.
It's got access to masses of mapping, (I've got (free) access to OS & IGN). It's got loads of functionality - you can even take a JPEG image of a map and geolocate 4 corners to the underlying base map to create your own map
You can create workspaces which you can have multiple map layers loaded for different parts of the world, and easily switch between workspaces returning to where you were on the previous one without having to load/unload the other maps |
I actually do use Alpine Quest as I was given a who load of os and ign maps in .qct format that AQ will open. Where did you get access to OS and IGN?
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@DaveyGTi via Bing & geoportail.gouv.fr
I'll PM you with the necessary links
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Has anyone got a paid strava account and an see if the ski runs are now accessible in the app?
Everything has been deleted from my fatmap app  I relied super heavily on the gradient plotter to understand whether I could tackle a run or not. I'm totally gutted
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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I can’t see anything like FATMAP on Strava. No sign of ski stuff unless I’m looking in the wrong places.
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Just checked and there is now a ski section under maps. This does appear to show lifts, pistes and also off piste routes. Only ever used Strava for cycling so no idea if this incorporates what used to be on Fatmaps
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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For the PDS lifts and pistes show and look pretty accurate
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@munich_irish, where did you find it? I can't see anything snow sports related under 'activities'
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@DaveyGTi, in the app on the on the record area there is a small bike symbol (next to the heart rate) tap that and you can select what sport you are doing and there are a selection of winter sports. The map has a 2D/3D option and also the heatmap is related to the sport you select (where I am currently shows lots of bike routes but no skiing routes!). Similar setup on my laptop with (to my mind) more detail on the 3D map including a winter overlay. Not having ever used Fatmap not sure if same functionality is there.
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You know it makes sense.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @DaveyGTi...and also the heatmap related to the sport you select .... |
@DaveyGTi being an AlpineQuest user... Have you found that you can import Strava heatmap layers to overlay on your base map, which can be really useful when you're investigating off-piste routes in a resort you're not familiar with 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@munich_irish, ah yeah I see, thanks, I was looking for it on the 'maps' tab which seems to only show running/hiking and cycling
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Poster: A snowHead
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@geoffers, I haven't, that is some good intell I'll check it out!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@DaveyGTi, looks like this...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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How do you add sports? I only see the ones I’ve done recently
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There's a similar discussion going on in one of my local groups. So far, the suggested solutions/alternatives are:
https://www.skitourenguru.ch/ – particularly good for tour planning
Alpenvereinaktiv app – this applies data from the current avi bulletin, and has some good route planning, but only in German.
https://skimomap.com/ – still under development, but seems to have been created to fill the Fatmap void.
I haven't really tried any of these out myself in the field yet, but fill your boots, it will be interesting to hear what system rises to the top. All the local guides I've been out with were avid Fatmap users, so it'll be interesting to see what they end up with too.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@BobinCH, just go down the list, next is water sports then winter sports
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @BobinCH, just go down the list, next is water sports then winter sports |
Nope that’s all I get in the list 
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I have also been having a look at https://reliefmaps.io/ which seems quite nice for mapping and showing slope gradients, but doesn't seem to have anything like fatmap's features for visualising routes/pistes. As @Scarlet says, it will be interesting to see what the guides go for.
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Some British mountain guides are optimistic about Contou.rs app. I’ve seen Dave Searle and I think also the avalanche geeks talking about it on insta.
https://contou.rs/
Looks good from a quick play, but I’m missing the official topo maps that fatmap offered. Let’s hope the contou.rs guy can develop and scale up rapidly and resist urge to sell out quickly!
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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@BobinCH, I am looking at the map in the record screen where you can select winter sports. The map changes depending on which activity you choose. I assume if I select skiing and start record it will add that as a favourite. No sure I will ski faster than I cycle these days!!
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It will be interesting to see how things develop, hopefully in the next three months for the start of the season!
I made sure I downloaded all my FatMap data etc
As someone who pays for Strava and FatMap I'm optimistic that there will be a reasonable product offering for Premium Subscribers.
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