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Hi, after some help please. I’ve booked zell am see for my family (2 adults and 3 children and 2 grandparents). We are staying in the AlpenParks Central Zell am See with the hope that it’s close to the CityXpress lift. We have skied once before but we aren’t very good, grandparents are coming for my 5 year old as she will only last an hour or so on the mountain. My questions if you can help are:
1)Can grandparents go to the top of the CityXpress and are there restaurants there so they can wait for my youngest to finish her lesson, I’ve googled it but it says one has shut down, not sure if there are any more.
Also are there any other restaurants that grandparents can walk to from a loft?
2) how far is the Taurern spa and is it worth a visit with the kids.
3) is there much to do if we don’t ski all day, I can’t see much info about the town itself and what there is to offer.
4) can you sledge somewhere nearby to Alpen Parks.
I booked this holiday last year after we had skied in La Grand Bornand, my kids loved it but my eldest missed the lift one time and it became a big issue for us as he is autistic. I am now wavering on whether to cancel this booking as we aren’t going until March 1st and he is very nervous about the lift. I plan to get a family ski lesson this time so we can be with him.
Any advice is very much appreciated.
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The hotel is about 5-10 minutes walk from the CityXpress lift. It only opened a few years ago and has a great central location.
1) There is no restaurant at the top of the CityXpress. There are plenty of restaurants at the top of the TrassXpress, Sonnenalmbahn and Schmittenhohebahn lifts which require a free bus ride up the hill from the bus station, which is just round the corner from your hotel. There are also restaurants at the top of the Areitbahn, which is reached either by ski bus or by taking the little narrow-gauge railway from the station, which is almost directly opposite your hotel. As there are 7 of you, I'd recommend using taxis to get around. Even though the buses are free they are very busy and crowded at peak times in the morning and afternoon, so not much fun if you are trying to juggle 3 kids, 2 grandparents and 5 sets of skis.
2) Tauern Spa is 10 minutes away by taxi. Pools, saunas, steam rooms etc. Check out what's at your hotel too, which also appears to have a spa area.
3) Zell am See has a big beautiful lake with a promenade walk around it. If it freezes you can walk across the lake or skate on it (but this happens very rarely these days). There's a toboggan run (on rails) at Kaprun. A veteran car museum also in Kaprun. There's a big leisure centre with a swimming pool and an ice rink, and there are weekly ice hockey matches there too. And lots more ... https://www.zellamsee-kaprun.com/en
4) You might be able to sledge by the old Ebenberg chair lift, which is just behind the hotel. If not, you'd need to do so out by the other main lifts - your hotel is in the centre of the town.
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Thank you very much for taking the time to write the detailed reply, I appreciate it.
Can I ask when you say old Ebenberg, does this no longer operate ? I chose our hotel as hoped it was perfectly positioned between that chair lift and the CityXpress. We will mostly complete blue runs whilst there, with that in mind habe we picked the best location to stay in? I can still cancel and rebook our accommodation if needed. We go March 1st, very much hoping the snow will still be ok.
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The Ebenberg lift is old! It is also just a 2-seater, which might be an issue if you have 3 children to transport. It does not operate all of the time - for example, it's not running just now when almost everything else in Zell is open.
I like Zell am See. There's plenty to do for non-skiers and the location and scenery are stunning. But - the main slopes are out of town, either up the Schmittenhohe or Areit areas, so except for the areas above the CityXpress, they require a short bus or taxi ride in the morning and afternoon.
As you've raised the possibility of an alternative location, I'd look just up the road at Hinterglemm or Saalbach instead. More, and better, blue slopes than in Zell. All accessible from lifts in the two villages, so no need for a bus or taxi if you choose the right accommodation. Excellent ski schools for the kids (Zell has these of course too). A cheaper pedestrian lift ticket for the non-skiers and restaurants at the top of every lift where you can meet up. Beautiful walks along the valley and at the end of the Glemm valley. Zell is just 20 mins away by bus for day trips for the non-skiers.
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My apartment is across the road from the Alpenparks hotel, its a great location for the City Express lift, town centre and lake so you have picked well there.
The Ebenberg lift will be running by the time you get there, it is mainly used during the day by the local race teams for lapping the race pistes there, at night it runs for a couple of hours 2 or 3 times a week for night skiing on the floodlit slopes above town.
I would not really recomend using the Ebenberg lift as all you would be able to do is ski back down to the City Express (which is as close to your hotel as the Ebenberg) I would recomend the night skiing if you think your skiing is up to it, the views over the lake and town are spectacular.
Make sure your lessons start from the top of the City Express and you will not need to use the free ski bus at all as all the area is accessable from the top of the City Express. Also the only Blue back to the valley returns to the City Express base station so that is a plus for you. Grandparents can go up on the city express to collect the kids after lessons but as said previously the restaraunt up there has been shut for a couple of years now which is a great shame.
I would really recomend a visit to the Tauren Spa for an afternoon, the heated outdoor pools with views up towards the Kitzsteinhorn and a cocktail bar are amazing, there is a couple of slides and kids pool as well. There is a bus that runs from Zell to Kaprun that stops at the Tauren Spa, you could combine an afternoon at the spa with some skiing on the Maiskogel which is a lovely small ski area just above Kaprun which I think would be perfect for your family.
There are some great walks around the lake and guided mountain top showshoeing or walks available. The tourist office is pretty much opposite your hotel and they are really helpful if you want to book any activities or information. The town swimming pool is also very good, it has a slide, kids pool and diving boards and is very reasonable. It is about 10 mins walk from your hotel next to the ice rink.
Sledging, if you want to mess around for a bit on your own sledge the slope next to the Ebenberg is perfect. We used to take our boys there when they were younger as it is pretty quiet and they loved messing around on sledges and having snowball fights etc there.
The ski buses are free with a lift pass and run every 10 mins or so, they are busy first thing and later in the afternoon but not in between.
If you want anymore info on anything just ask and I will try to help.
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The replies to my post are brilliant-thank you. Can I ask if there are plenty of coffee shops/eateries in town close to AlpenParks for my parents to take my youngest whilst we ski?
Also early March is it likely that the blue slopes will be open running back down to the CityXpress lift? I’ve looked at saalbach and Hinterglemm as suggested but the accommodation choice that’s left isn’t great compared to what we have at Alpen Parks.
Lastly I was looking at Ski Schule Zell am See for lessons. They do a family ski lesson which would suit 4 of us. Have you heard of this school and are they well known for ski lessons ?
Thanks again, Kate
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Yes there are plenty of cafes/bars and restaraunts where your parents can go during the day with your youngest, the KupferKessel, about 75m from your hotel and Villa Crazy Daisey (near the lake) are good for coffees, drinks and food however all hotels and restaraunts are very child friendly and will be open during the day for food and drinks.
I would be amazed if the blue runs to town are not open given how much snow there has been so far and how well they look after the slopes so you will be fine there.
We have used Ski Schule Zell am See before but not recently, we have had a family lesson with them many years ago and had a great time. They are the biggest ski school in Zell and are well thought of, just make sure to tell the instructor what you want to achieve from the lesson (improve technique, progress to different/harder slopes, learn techniques for different types of snow etc) as this will really help them tailor the lesson to what you want and make sure you ask to start at the City Express mountain station if its a morning lesson as this will make your morning easier.
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Yes there are plenty of cafes/bars and restaraunts where your parents can go during the day with your youngest, the KupferKessel, about 75m from your hotel and Villa Crazy Daisey (near the lake) are good for coffees, drinks and food however all hotels and restaraunts are very child friendly and will be open during the day for food and drinks.
I would be amazed if the blue runs to town are not open given how much snow there has been so far and how well they look after the slopes so you will be fine there.
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Second that. Zell is proper town so there will be plenty to keep the olds amused.
I would add that late in the day, that home run blue of 5 /5a/5b /7 can get a bit crowded and cut up particularly on that final bit above the lift. However you can ski down as far as the top of City Express and download on the gondola (a lot of people do). If you are popping down at lunchtime to meet the olds then it will be much nicer to ski at that time. When we skied there for a couple of years, we'd take black 13 and blue 7 as the home run as it was always less crowded and in better condition (not that I recommending you do that as a week 2 skier  ).
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@Gallowak, Initial lessons are likely to be in the area at the base of the Schmittenhohe (where two cable cars and a gondola start from). Short us ride up from the village as others have said - but some hotels run a free shuttle to there. Restaurants there, but also at the top of the two cable cars and gondola
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@Gallowak, centre of Zell is much like any other European small town - plenty of coffee shops. One of the best resorts for non skiers - my OH walked round the lake and also walked to Kaprun and back. There are also some walks at top of City Express and at the top of the Schmittenhohe along the ridge
The blue back to bottom of City Express should be open, but in March could well be very soft - and the bottom of it (50m or so) is very narrow and mogulled - so it's no shame to download (I skied it as my hotel was right next to the slope there so I could ski in). Just ski the easy blues above the top of the City Express and take the lift down. Those blues are much better than the home run (the top part of which is paths as a blue)
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Thanks everyone this has been super useful, it’s been great reading the responses. Would you be able to advise what area the children’s slope is in (I.E. is there a magic carpet here?) my youngest will spend most of her time there.
From what Beano says, our apartment choice is good. The only other option I can find that has similar offerings is a place by areitbahn1. I just wonder if you think this may be a better location even though further out of town. I can see from the piste map that we can access the same areas as from the CityXpress but I wondered if the children’s slope was closer and if there are worthwhile restaurants at the top of Areitbahn.
@Buchanan how come you think the lessons woth be at Schmittenhohe as opposed to city Xpress, I wondered if this was to do with the baby slopes being located that way?
Thanks again everyone, your time is appreciated
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The nursery slopes magic carpets etc are at Schmittenhohe and also bottom of Areitbahn.
There is nothing beginner wise at bottom of city express.
Zell is gentle slopes up high and steep down into the valley // town
There is a restaurant at top of Areitbahn
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@Gallowak, at the base of the Schmittenhohe there are I think two t bars on a small easy area. There is nothing at the City Express except a gondola. No T bars. Initial lessons won’t be straight on the gondola as there is not a simple beginner area at the top. Nor is there anywhere for ski school to meet. Ski school will, I am 99% sure, meet at least for the first few days at the base of the Schmittenhohe. (It’s where I met for ski school… 38 years ago… the basic layout of Zell hasn’t changed in that time)
There are beginner slopes at the base of the Areitbahn but that’s in Schuttdorf - you are better staying in Zell with non skiers. Also the snow at the base of the Schmittenhohe will be better as it’s better protected from too much sun. The bottom of the Areitbahn is fully exposed to sun all day. Also the home run there is worse than to the City Express. It was recommended not to use it in March 2020. I went down. It was horrid.
There are restaurants at the base of the Schmittenhohe where the beginner slopes are so your parents could wait there for your daughter.
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@Gallowak, Just re-read your original email. If you are after a private family lesson the standard place to meet is at the top of the CityExpress. I had a 1 to 1 but they aren't cheap! The easiest ski area up the mountain is if you go up the chair from there and take the blue back down around and under the chair towards Schuttdorf - there's a big gentle area there served by an 8 man chair - but a lot of ski schools (presumably up from Schuttdorf on the Areitbahn). The blue back from the very top of the 3 stage Areitbahn is also gentle but gets very busy and lumpy. Over the back of the mountain is a blue/red combo down but from the other side at the bottom is a gentle quiet blue but served by a T bar. Zell has only a few blues on the map, so they get busy - almost all on the southern/left arm of the mountain.
The best runs in resort (it's quite a small resort) are the reds over on the Sonnkogel (very sunny, hence the name). People see "red" and don't go there so they are much quieter. They aren't that steep and there's 3 of them (and a new lift I believe as there was a clunky old 3 man chair). Take a little while to get there from the City Express but there is direct access on one of the cable cars from the main area at the bottom of the Schmittenhohe
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| Gallowak wrote: |
Thanks everyone this has been super useful, it’s been great reading the responses. Would you be able to advise what area the children’s slope is in (I.E. is there a magic carpet here?) my youngest will spend most of her time there.
From what Beano says, our apartment choice is good. The only other option I can find that has similar offerings is a place by areitbahn1. I just wonder if you think this may be a better location even though further out of town. I can see from the piste map that we can access the same areas as from the CityXpress but I wondered if the children’s slope was closer and if there are worthwhile restaurants at the top of Areitbahn.
@Buchanan how come you think the lessons woth be at Schmittenhohe as opposed to city Xpress, I wondered if this was to do with the baby slopes being located that way?
Thanks again everyone, your time is appreciated |
I think given you have non skiers with you it would be much better to be in the main town rather than at the Areitbahn. The Areitbahn runs down into a suburb of Zell called Schuttdorf which is a more residential and commercial part of town, has some hotels and a few restaurants but no where near the number of Zell itself, you would really need to get taxi or bus to Zell itself from Shuttdorf as its a long walk around the lakeshore. Also as said above the run down to the Areit base station is quite difficult although it is very easy to download on the gondala
Beginner lessons can be at the Areitbahn or Schmittehohe nursery slopes, there is a small button lift at the top of the Cityexpress that is sometimes used for beginners later in the season due to snow conditions lower down, so it might be worth asking if they are running beginner classes there the week you are there. They will look to progress the beginners very quickly from the nursery slopes at the bottom up to the gentle blues at the top so may change the meeting point during the week. Your Family lesson is effectivley a private lesson and can start where you want.
I would recomend calling the ski school and talking to them about what you need and want, you will be spending a lot of money with them so you should be able to get what works best for you. They will speak excellent english and should be helpful.
Has your youungsest done any skiing?
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@beano, Plus 1 - very much stay in Zell. It's lovely for skiers and especially non skiers. There's a long lake shoreline to walk along (and round!) - I doubt very much there will be ANY walking on an iced lake any more with climate change - I remember seeing ice-yachts on it back in the 80s. It was partly ice covered when i went in 2013, but none at all in 2021
I was surprised to find that although there was reasonable snow on the lowest run to Schuttdorf that they seemed to have mostly given up with it - certainly hadn't been pisted for a day or two when I went down it - it's one of the steeper reds in resort with some small sections of bypass tracks. I guess the problem is altitude and orientation - full on sun all day. The blue to the City Express whilst not perfect (the bottom 50m...) is a lot better
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Ok that sounds good thank you. My youngest (5 years old) skied last year but she literally was just in between the instructors legs for an hour a day and that was enough, this year she will be a lot better.
We are going for a family lesson as my husband and I snowboard but we are going to try skiing this year to be with the kids. So the plan is for a family lesson for me and my husband and 2 oldest (11 and 8 year old both boys) each day. Any my youngest will do her own lesson with her own instructor. I can’t use the ski school group classes as the set up wouldn’t suit my eldest. So although this will be more expensive we are expecting that.
Last year the boys were going off with the instructor down blues and reds (we were boarding then so they had a lesson on their own). So it will probably be me and my husband who hold them back but hopefully not for too long.
All the advice has been really great to hear. I feel much happier about what we have booked and what our plan is. It’s too expensive to get it all wrong isn’t it.
My last question would be over a car or airport transfer. Giving that we may need to be closer to the Schmitterhorn sometimes, we can pay a little more and get car hire from the airport instead of a transfer. Is the ride to zell ok or hair raising, would we need snow chains etc? Could you ride to the schmitterhorne and park or much easier to get the bus?
Thanks again
Kate
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@Gallowak, Those lessons are likely to cost a fortune if they are each day... a 1 to 1 for a couple of hours is 150 euros plus (from memory), 4 for 3 hours is something like 300 euros per half day (just checked at checkyeti.com).
Drive from airport (I assume Salzburg) is easy (Innsbruck or Munich wouldn't be much different though longer obviously). Hire cars come with winter tyres which are great. It's all on low roads. Austrian hire cars are not cheap though and if there are 6 of you, that's a minivan. A taxi minivan may well be cheaper. I don't know about parking at Schmittenhohe - there is a car park but it's not huge (just looked at googlemaps aerial photo)
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| Gallowak wrote: |
Ok that sounds good thank you. My youngest (5 years old) skied last year but she literally was just in between the instructors legs for an hour a day and that was enough, this year she will be a lot better.
We are going for a family lesson as my husband and I snowboard but we are going to try skiing this year to be with the kids. So the plan is for a family lesson for me and my husband and 2 oldest (11 and 8 year old both boys) each day. Any my youngest will do her own lesson with her own instructor. I can’t use the ski school group classes as the set up wouldn’t suit my eldest. So although this will be more expensive we are expecting that.
Last year the boys were going off with the instructor down blues and reds (we were boarding then so they had a lesson on their own). So it will probably be me and my husband who hold them back but hopefully not for too long.
All the advice has been really great to hear. I feel much happier about what we have booked and what our plan is. It’s too expensive to get it all wrong isn’t it.
My last question would be over a car or airport transfer. Giving that we may need to be closer to the Schmitterhorn sometimes, we can pay a little more and get car hire from the airport instead of a transfer. Is the ride to zell ok or hair raising, would we need snow chains etc? Could you ride to the schmitterhorne and park or much easier to get the bus?
Thanks again
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With the lessons you are looking to book I would contact the ski school directly, for the money you are spending they should be offering the Gold star service, talk about what you want from the lessons and tell them about the needs of your eldest (they may have an instructor who has specific skills that may help).
I made the journey from a multi year snowboarder to a skier about 10 years ago and having the snowboarding experience will defintely help you with the skiing. Its great to be able to chose to snowboard or ski on any given day but it has led me to owning far too much equipment!
Another option may be to ask for a dual qualified instructor as you and your husband could snowboard and the kids could ski and all of you could get instruction.
As to transfer or hire car it will depend on what you want and which airport you are using. If Salzburg you also have the option of the train (its a spectacular journey through the valleys alongside the river), the train station only about 150m from your hotel although slightly up hill. There is parking at the Schmittenhohe lifts but you need to get there early to get in the nearest carparks to the lift. We always have a car as we usually drive out and use it a lot but thats because we ski at many different ski areas, I do not think having a car will really help you that much if you are looking a lessons for most of the week. Taxis and buses are plentiful and can be got from the train station across from the hotel.
If you look at my website below there is more advice on things to do in Zell and transfer options, some of the links are out of date but most of the advice still stands (I am glad I looked at the site, I must update it!)
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+1 for the train journey, and Taxis are reliable from the Airport to the Salzburg Train Station (and back).
Worth bearing in mind that there are several nice resorts that are a short drive from Zell.
A personal opinion is that when sharing one to one lessons (two to one!) the better skier often gets the raw end of the deal.
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@Gallowak, My last question would be over a car or airport transfer. Giving that we may need to be closer to the Schmitterhorn sometimes, we can pay a little more and get car hire from the airport instead of a transfer. Is the ride to zell ok or hair raising, would we need snow chains etc? Could you ride to the schmitterhorne and park or much easier to get the bus?
Dead simple valley bottom journey from Salz to Zell, no chains required.
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@Gallowak, My last question would be over a car or airport transfer. Giving that we may need to be closer to the Schmitterhorn sometimes, we can pay a little more and get car hire from the airport instead of a transfer. Is the ride to zell ok or hair raising, would we need snow chains etc? Could you ride to the schmitterhorne and park or much easier to get the bus?
Dead simple valley bottom journey from Salz to Zell, no chains required. |
Snow chains are sometimes mandatory for the drive up the hill to the Schmittenhohe lifts and nursery slope, but you can always catch the free bus. As previously mentioned, car parking there is quite limited and car park 6 is two bus stops away from the lifts.
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@Gallowak, My last question would be over a car or airport transfer. Giving that we may need to be closer to the Schmitterhorn sometimes, we can pay a little more and get car hire from the airport instead of a transfer. Is the ride to zell ok or hair raising, would we need snow chains etc? Could you ride to the schmitterhorne and park or much easier to get the bus?
Dead simple valley bottom journey from Salz to Zell, no chains required. |
Snow chains are sometimes mandatory for the drive up the hill to the Schmittenhohe lifts and nursery slope, but you can always catch the free bus. As previously mentioned, car parking there is quite limited and car park 6 is two bus stops away from the lifts. |
Yes calling some of the carparks “at the lift” is a little optimistic and I think you can only fit about 6 cars in one of them!
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Hi everyone, ski lessons all booked as suggested. Can I ask for advice on a couple more points:
1) is there a magic carpet near any of the lifts, if so which one?
2) can anyone recommend a take transfer (7of us)
3) is there a laundrette in Zell? Hooking to wash our thermals through to save taking too many pairs.
4) would you recommend stopping at a supermarket on the way from the airport out of town before going into zell for a main shop or are we best just getting items in zell?
Many thanks, really appreciate all of the advice everyone has taken the time to give.  ️
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@Gallowak, there are two laundries in Zell, Phoenix Cleaning And Laundry on Schmittenstrasse which is only open Monday to Friday and closes at 6pm. They seem to do service washes. The other is Waschsalon Steinbock Lodges on Kaprunstrasse, past the end of the lake. they are also only open Monday to Friday and close at 3pm. they will do a same day service wash if you drop off no later than 12 noon.
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This is great information thank you
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Thermals will dry really quickly - ski apartments are almost always too hot. Just take a little tube of travel wash and give them a quick squeeze in the bathroom basin and twist in a towel.
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@Origen, didn't spot the laundry question was just for thermals - agree just wash in the room
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| Gallowak wrote: |
Hi everyone, ski lessons all booked as suggested. Can I ask for advice on a couple more points:
1) is there a magic carpet near any of the lifts, if so which one?
2) can anyone recommend a take transfer (7of us)
3) is there a laundrette in Zell? Hooking to wash our thermals through to save taking too many pairs.
4) would you recommend stopping at a supermarket on the way from the airport out of town before going into zell for a main shop or are we best just getting items in zell?
Many thanks, really appreciate all of the advice everyone has taken the time to give. ️ |
1) answered further up thread
2) https://www.zellamsee-kaprun.com/en/service/arrival/shuttle-service
3) agree take 2 pairs of socks and thermals, wash what you wore for the day in the shower in the evening, wring well, wrap in towel and stamp on them a bit - put on radiator to dry. usually dry by morning, but defo fine for following morning. We just use shower gel. Put your gloves near the radiator overnight too.
4) not if you're in a taxi.
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| Gallowak wrote: |
Hi everyone, ski lessons all booked as suggested. Can I ask for advice on a couple more points:
1) is there a magic carpet near any of the lifts, if so which one?
2) can anyone recommend a take transfer (7of us)
3) is there a laundrette in Zell? Hooking to wash our thermals through to save taking too many pairs.
4) would you recommend stopping at a supermarket on the way from the airport out of town before going into zell for a main shop or are we best just getting items in zell?
Many thanks, really appreciate all of the advice everyone has taken the time to give. ️ |
1) I believe the only Magic Carpet is at the Areitbahn Base Station in the beginners area
2) We have not used a transfer before but might be worth trying Andy at Snow Camps Europe as they are now doing transfers from Salzburg - www.snowcampseu.com
3) I think you are staying at Alpenparks, if so i believe there is clothes washing facilities in the building, possibly even a laundry service.
4) No need for this, the Billa and the Spar in Zell town have plenty of choice and are simmilar prices to the out of town bigger supermarkets. Also Spar is about 1 min walk from Alpenparks
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thank you. I will contact Andy re a transfer and will stock up when we get there.
Thanks for the thermals tip. Can’t wait to get there now  ️
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