 Poster: A snowHead
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As the internet doesn’t seem to answer the question very well, “Do you need avi gear when doing safe off piste in Aosta?”, I though I’d see if I could find the law. This seems to be the law.
The relevant section is article 7:
Art. 7
(Sci fuori pista e sci-alpinismo)
1. Il concessionario degli impianti funiviari e il gestore delle piste di sci non sono responsabili degli incidenti che possono verificarsi nei percorsi fuori pista serviti dagli impianti medesimi o al di fuori delle aree e delle piste individuate ai sensi dell'articolo 3 della presente legge e della l.r. 9/1992.
2. I soggetti che praticano lo sci-alpinismo devono sempre munirsi di appositi sistemi elettronici per garantire un idoneo e tempestivo intervento di soccorso.
Google translates this as:
Article 7
(Off-piste skiing and ski mountaineering)
1. The concessionaire of the cableway facilities and the manager of the ski slopes are not responsible for accidents that may occur on the off-piste routes served by the facilities themselves or outside the areas and slopes identified pursuant to article 3 of this law and of the r.l. 9/1992.
2. Those who practice ski mountaineering must always equip themselves with special electronic systems to guarantee suitable and timely rescue intervention.
My knowledge of Italian is thanks to French, Spanish and Latin. Somebody here will doubtless speak better Italian than I don’t, but there seems to be a distinction between off piste and ski mountaineering. The latter seems to be defined as using skins or carrying your skis uphill.
Therefore this seems to say that even if off piste unless you’re actually travelling uphill under you own steam you don’t need any kit at all, and if you are taking yourself uphill you only need a transceiver not the rest of the kit.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Thu 18-01-24 12:30; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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It's been a while since I skied in Aosta, but there was a story reported in the press maybe 10 years ago which involved skiers being checked by police and found to be lacking the gear, they got fined for that. They were well off-piste but not mountaineering. The advice I had from a guide in Chamonix was that it's fine to go off pise in Aosta but you must carry the usual gear.
It's only sensible to carry this gear anyway, so it's really not an issue. It's much more of an issue in Veneto, which covers parts of the Dolomites, over there it is technically illegal to ski off piste at all.
I know of guides who do it, they are careful to not ski above any pistes as that seems to be the area police are concerened about
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@James the Last, last time I looked, Aosta doesn't mandate avvy kit but Piedmonte (Alagna) does. So there are technically checks for access to the Punta Indren lift (all off piste). It's not always manned however.
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A few years ago, you would not get access to the Indren funifor unless carrying the holy trinity.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@sah, yes, the only info on the internet is a post by you from 2015 where you say there is no clarity. This is what sent me tracking down the legislation.
There appears to be a general Italian law https://www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2004/01/05/003G0393/sg which at article 17 appears to require people ski mountaineering to have a bleeper (but nothing else) when there is a risk of avalanche - I know that some people on the internet seem to interpret that as level 3 or above. The Aosta regional law above mirrors this.
However the Piedmonte law linked here does indeed mandate full avalanche kit for ski mountaineering and 'freeride' - whatever that means.
Art. 30
(Sci fuori pista)
1. I gestori delle piste di sci non sono in alcun modo responsabili degli incidenti che possono verificarsi nei percorsi fuori pista ancorché serviti dagli impianti medesimi, né sui percorsi individuati all'articolo 4, comma 2, lettera f).
2. I soggetti che praticano lo sci alpinismo ed il freeride sono tenuti a munirsi di appositi sistemi elettronici di segnalazione e ricerca, pala e sonda da neve per garantire un idoneo e tempestivo intervento di soccorso.
Google translate again:
Article 30
(Off-piste skiing)
1. The managers of the ski slopes are in no way responsible for accidents that may occur on off-piste routes even if served by the facilities themselves, nor on the routes identified in article 4, paragraph 2, letter f).
2. Those who practice ski mountaineering and freeriding are required to equip themselves with special electronic signaling and search systems, shovel and snow probe to ensure suitable and timely rescue intervention.
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@Onnem, they definitely don’t always check unless someones invented inflatable shovels and probes that don’t need backpacks!
In that I can’t recall exactly how the controls were being applied but I do recall seeing folks getting on without packs.
Although, memory being what it is, that may have been before the law was introduced.
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Interestingly the Indren funifor is in Aosta, so if my analysis above is right you only need a transceiver and not shovel/probe - and then only if you are 'ski mountaineering'.
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@James the Last, afaik, it's operated under Piedmonte rules. But you could well be right. It's not what the sign at the top says, I don't think?
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