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Gondola crash in Hochoetz

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There has been an incident with a Gondola at Hochoetz in Tirol. Four people have been seriously injured. It appears a tree fell onto the cable casing the Gondola to come adrift from the support wire.
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/skigebiet-gondel-absturz-tirol-oesterreich-1.6330170
https://www.derstandard.de/story/3000000202332/-gondel-in-tirol-abgest252rzt-vier-schwerverletzte
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https://www.breakinglatest.news/news/ski-gondola-collapses-in-austria-four-seriously-injured/
in English
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ORF says much the same: https://tirol.orf.at/stories/3239844/

Horrendous. And the second time locally in around 6 months (a bubble hit the ground in Schlick last summer during a storm. Fortunately it was empty, but the family in the gondola behind were still quite traumatised).
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That is awful. Stuff of nightmares.

I have a vague recollection that a ski patroller in the USA died when a tree fell across a chairlift cable.
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The Daily Mail version of events: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12942655/amp/Four-seriously-injured-gondola-crashes-Austrian-ski-resort-tree-falls-cables.html?ico=amp_articleRelated_with_images

All quite sobering when it's a lift you've been on Confused
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Ironically we were on the Pengelstein 2 chair a couple of weeks ago with a local. (ie born here in Kitzbuhel) There is an unusual metal bridge which we always try to ponder its reason for being there. He reckons it was because of the height above the ground of the chair itself. I didnt think it was particularly high, but as I said he was born here. Anyway, the discussion moved on slighly to the point he added that if the cable broke, other than right above you, the chair itself would only slowly lower itself to the ground, and we would be ok. Logic says, yes hes correct, other than if its the cable directly above your chair that actually broke.
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Bad. I do hope that they recover.

Roll back my memory to 2010. Very heavy snowfall in Crans Montana. Up to the lifts in anticipation. Nothing running. Silence. And then a chainsaw starts up above us. And another. And another. Foresters with Stihl chansaws walk past. What's going on? we ask. Guide friend: '...they've realised that many of the trees are actually too close to the cables...they've neglected tree clearing and so they are doing it now...'. That was a VERY long and hard day for the foresters and pisteurs and a day in the chalet for us...
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Bad. I do hope that they recover.

Roll back my memory to 2010. Very heavy snowfall in Crans Montana. Up to the lifts in anticipation. Nothing running. Silence. And then a chainsaw starts up above us. And another. And another. Foresters with Stihl chansaws walk past. What's going on? we ask. Guide friend: '...they've realised that many of the trees are actually too close to the cables...they've neglected tree clearing and so they are doing it now...'. That was a VERY long and hard day for the foresters and pisteurs and a day in the chalet for us...


My first reaction (without knowing all the facts) was that someone's been getting lazy on their off season forest management. One thing I notice every year in the PdS is the number of freshly cut stumps and branches either side of chairs that run through the trees. OK, still a chance of a sick tree a safe distance from the chair falling and knocking a closer one down/into the chair but reassuring than someone's actually been up there checking and clearing out any reasonably predictable risks.
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I've always tried not to think too hard about the fact it's really just a chuffing great spring holding the chair to the cable!
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That is awful. Stuff of nightmares.


Yup. A reminder of the risks with skiing/mountains, even when apparently not doing anything dangerous, unlucky as it may be. Presumably the authorities are going to do a massive post-mortem of how this was allowed to happen, not a great advert for skiing in Austria..
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Pyramus wrote:
ulmerhutte wrote:
That is awful. Stuff of nightmares.


Yup. A reminder of the risks with skiing/mountains, even when apparently not doing anything dangerous, unlucky as it may be. Presumably the authorities are going to do a massive post-mortem of how this was allowed to happen, not a great advert for skiing in Austria..


https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/01/13/Six-killed-in-cable-car-crash/8993600670800/

Not a great advert for skiing in France

https://theaviationist.com/2023/02/03/otd-in-1998-the-cavalese-incident/?utm_content=cmp-true

Not a great advert for skiing in Italy

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I could go on rolling eyes

After some of the extreme high winds and tree/tree limb damage, followed by fairly heavy snowfall, there will always be some risk. Sometimes it is just not possible to eradicate all potential hazards in the mountains. Sometimes it’s just not possible to provide a cotton wool wrapped environment for the pursuit of winter snow sports.
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Generally in the main Alpine countries we can rely on high standards of construction and maintenance of lifts. Yes, it's always a risk, but a very small one. A few years ago when there was very heavy snow, very early, before the fir trees had had time to assume their winter "droop" there were lots of fallen trees in the forest around our place. It was October, I'd not put on my winter tyres, and had to lash up some chains that were too big, just to get out of the car park.

The fact that this strikes horror into our hearts, in a way that a report of a routinely ghastly RTA hardly merits a second glance, and no cries of "nightmare!" says it all, really.
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not a great advert for skiing in Austria..

correct, stay away
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