I very much want to buy the Enforcer 88, but I have a lot of doubts on the ski length. I'm 6ft(183), currently 210lbs, but with tendency to go lower than 190lbs. I'll would say that I'm advanced and sporty skier who love quick turns, but would not mind to have great bigger radius carve turns. I'm moderate aggressive and don't look for higher speeds. I've mainly ski on groomed/crud and I'm the moment I'm driving 172 cm Navigator 85. I cannot really decide if I choose 179 instead of 172 - that will sacrifice the ability for shorter turns and handling on moguls
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I know that really there is no exact formula, but unfortunately there is no op for me just to test them before hand.
I saw that this review and the reviewer have 179 pair - He's a lot shorter and lighter - although far more better skier than me - however at least what I've understand perhaps the shape of the skis and the amount of rocker/camber/rocker profile could give more playful and maneuverability.
What do you think ?
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Hi and welcome
Are you looking to replace the Navigator 85 with these, or are they an additional pair?
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Hey thanks for welcome
Well, my main goal is to move on to stiffer flex ski. I would say that I will keep the Navigator in place for now, but really wanted to make the Enforcer 88 my mine choice of daily skiing
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Ok then... the Enforcer is an all-mountain ski – would you not be better looking at something more piste orientated? It's a great ski, but if you're looking for “quick turns” there's probably something more suitable out there.
On the size – How do you find the Navigators? They seem to be a fairly similar ski, so do you find them too short/unstable? I ski the women's version of the Enforcer, the Santa Ana 93, in a 165. That's a bit taller than I am, and I'm not particularly heavy either. I'd probably take the 179 for your size, but there is an element of personal preference.
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well for the more piste oriented I found that this all mountain skis and with the early rise tip do better for me on all types of snow conditions on the piste i.e not groomed piste, crud, moguls and swooshy.
And on the second question - I'm not putting pedal to the metal meaning very high speeds, so I do not really find them unstable. And I'm not really sure if I've got the sensation that they are short on me..for example it's easy for me to do short and quick turns. Maybe this is why I'm doubting
@shinypantss, at your stats you should be on the 186. MTFU!
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Like @Scarlet, I’ve got the Ladies version, Santa Ana 84 in a 161cm. I’m 162cm and 53kg.
My husband tested the Enforcers in a 186 last week (he’s 185cm and 100kg) did really like them but couldn’t justify another pair of skis.
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spyderjon wrote:
@shinypantss, at your stats you should be on the 186. MTFU!
Yep, don't go less than 179.
But if it's mainly for groomers I suspect the 179 would be good for you.
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@shinypantss, at your stats you should be on the 186. MTFU!
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If you like short, quick turns over speed, stay below 180
I'm similar stats 185cm /90kg & have the Enforcer 110s free @177, I prefer bumps, offpiste, crud & short radius carving. The shorter length means a shorter turn radius and less weight to flick from side to side in the bumps.
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I'm 178cm tall and weigh 69kg and ski the 172cm Enforcer 88s (brilliant skis btw). Admittedly I haven't tried the longer lengths so I have nothing to compare them to but I never regretted my decision. They were stable at high speed and I enjoyed the agility especially when the slopes get chopped up in the afternoon.
They are a stiff ski (particularly in the tails) and relative to the enforcer 'free' series there isn't really any significant rocker in the tail so I don't think you need to size up.
Given that you're both taller and heavier than me I'd suggest going for the 179cm.
FWIW I also own the 104 Free in 179cm - I went for the longer length given the significant amount of rocker. Whilst they were great in powder they were quite a handful on hardpack or in moguls.
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kitenski wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
@shinypantss, at your stats you should be on the 186. MTFU!
This!
If you want a slalom ski, buy a slalom ski
You should be on 186 for all mountain.
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
musher wrote:
kitenski wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
@shinypantss, at your stats you should be on the 186. MTFU!
This!
If you want a slalom ski, buy a slalom ski
You should be on 186 for all mountain.
Why?
Genuine question, apart from increased stability at speed and a bit more float in the deep, is there any other advantage?
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wineandfondue wrote:
FWIW I also own the 104 Free in 179cm - I went for the longer length given the significant amount of rocker. Whilst they were great in powder they were quite a handful on hardpack or in moguls.
I have the 110 free @177, in the moguls, they seem as good as any other ski I have tried, but on the BB last season, there was barely any offpiste worth looking at and just groomed pistes. I ended up leaving my piste skis in the locker, the 110s were actually better for low bum on piste carving but not so good on steeper pistes, too much chatter.
The 110s are great offpiste, just lean them over & they turn, a world apart from the 200cm 1980s skis
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@tangowaggon, I don't think we're disagreeing. You're 185cm and find the 177cms easy for carving and I'm 178cm and found the 179s hard work. Conclusion is surely don't go too long.
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Not a shade of doubt that the 179s are the right length for the OP.
You may want to look at Atomic Maverick, Black Crows Serpo, Blizzard Rustler 9, too.
I can, for instance, guarantee that a Serpo is an amazing ski, high performance w/o being inherently demanding.
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tangowaggon wrote:
musher wrote:
kitenski wrote:
spyderjon wrote:
@shinypantss, at your stats you should be on the 186. MTFU!
This!
If you want a slalom ski, buy a slalom ski
You should be on 186 for all mountain.
Why?
Genuine question, apart from increased stability at speed and a bit more float in the deep, is there any other advantage?
Think about what you want from an all mountain ski, then if you still have questions ask yourself why you want an all mountain ski.
@shinypantss, at your stats you should be on the 186. MTFU!
This!
If you want a slalom ski, buy a slalom ski
You should be on 186 for all mountain.
Why?
Genuine question, apart from increased stability at speed and a bit more float in the deep, is there any other advantage?
Think about what you want from an all mountain ski, then if you still have questions ask yourself why you want an all mountain ski.
For me, the Enforcer 110s are an all mountain ski, great offpiste and carve really well on piste, even though the slalom poles. Their greatest weakness is on pisted black runs which I don't like skiing anyway, black runs are only enjoyable when they are unpisted & full of moguls.
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