 Poster: A snowHead
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Another bad season closes in France with many mid mountain domains either shut or closing early.
What does next winter hold?
On the negative side, the North Atlantic remains over 1C above average. For the last two winters this has placed the alps in a warm south-westerly airstream with little influence from the arctic. This has flipped temperatures +3C on average warmer. Bad news for both Putin hoping to freeze Europe and any ski resort with the temerity to have its pistes below 1500 meters altitude.
Will there be a return to mean next winter? Predictions are for a long, hot summer but we are also at the solar maximum and El Nino should start to subside by the end of the summer. Will this lead to a cooler atlantic and a return to winter next year?
I'm kind of thinking of a cooler winter, a third warm winter in a row will finish off a lot of ski areas for good, maybe not ones snowheads traditonally ski in but the crowds will go to where they do ski.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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2024 = El Nino = hot
2025 = La Nina = cold
Winter 2024-25 in the Northern Hemisphere looks set to be cold and snowy.
Especially, North America.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68665166
The scientists are of course undecided...
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Dr Schmidt is concerned about what this means for predictions going forward.
"Our predictions failed quite dramatically for the specifics of 2023, and if previous statistics don't work, then it becomes much harder to say what's going to happen in the future," he said.
"We're still trying to understand why the situation changed so dramatically in the middle of last year, and how long this situation will continue, whether it is a phase shift or whether it's a blip in long-term climate trends," agrees Dr Samantha Burgess from Copernicus. |
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Lets hope it's cold and snowy, i've got lots of plans. But first, we need to finish this season first! 4 weeks left 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Pedantry alert; if talking about a given year, then the variation is more about weather than climate. El nino and la Nina are weather patterns than have a greater year-on-year impact than climate change.
My guesses are that most of the following will be true.
Most commercial ski areas in the northern hemisphere will get more than 1 big dump of snow
Most commercial ski areas in the northern hemisphere will get at least 1 excessively warm spell
In most resorts, the average temperature will be higher than the average over the last 20 years
At some point, in most ski areas, a well respected and experienced expert will say that some aspect of the current conditions is unprecedented
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Was 23/24 season that bad? It started well, had a bit of melt in the middle but ended with some amazing late season conditions in many mid to high Alpine spots. Obvs climate change is causing issues with most of the lower altitude resorts, so thats a given.
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@davidof, Long hot summer? In England? You're having a laugh. Weather condtions vary from year to year and always will. Why speculate? We can't change it.
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@Old Man Of Lech, the internet's main purpose is to be used as a tool of uninformed speculation.
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@afterski, couldn't agree more.
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@Gruffnutz, depends where you were. Les Savoies? anywhere below ~1,900m was more or less rubbish.
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@under a new name,
Was good in the Sella Ronda early Feb, well below that,
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Old Man Of Lech wrote: |
| @davidof, Long hot summer? In England? You're having a laugh. Weather condtions vary from year to year and always will. Why speculate? We can't change it. |
We haven't had any yet. My building project is now 3 months (in reality that put s it 1 year) behind becuse we've not had any dry periods long enough for the ground to dry our from last November!. Longest completely dry so far is 4 days!
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| Gruffnutz wrote: |
| Was 23/24 season that bad? It started well, had a bit of melt in the middle but ended with some amazing late season conditions in many mid to high Alpine spots. Obvs climate change is causing issues with most of the lower altitude resorts, so thats a given. |
Mid and lower resorts, worst on reccord. 2nd consecutive roccord breaker. Some ski areas only opened some pistes for 3 days. Others (like Megeve) never opened some pistes!...and we tried
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You know it makes sense.
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@Old Man Of Lech, I don't think the Sella Ronda is in France, let alone Savoie/Haute Savoie 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@under a new name, Yet one more reason to look eleswhere?
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @Old Man Of Lech, I don't think the Sella Ronda is in France, let alone Savoie/Haute Savoie |
To be fair the thread title makes no reference to France or any particular country, it's just "Winter 2024/2025 climate predictions", so commenting on the conditions in the Sella Ronda seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Alastair Pink, no, but I referenced the Savoies … 
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@Alastair Pink, I thought (!) my phrasing was clear that I meant anywhere in les deux Savoies below 1,900 etc... obvs not 
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @Alastair Pink, I thought (!) my phrasing was clear that I meant anywhere in les deux Savoies below 1,900 etc... obvs not |
That's how I read it
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Anyway it's all a bit moot, let's hope for good snow conditions everywhere in winter 2024/25.
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@Alastair Pink, well absolutely!!
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@swskier, Tut tut, selfish. What about us poor retirees who can ski any day & every day. Conditions allowing of course.
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