 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Interesting, seems logical.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Just had a look at my zipfit. There is essentially a cut out with only neoprene filling it where he claims the new product would relieve pressure on the artery so I'm not convinced it would beat all liners.
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I haven't seen a zip fit, but from what you say I wonder if the zipfit cut out is as effective? If I understand correctly VPECS effectively creates an air gap over the key blood vessel, so there's nothing pressing on it at all. And this is protected from collapsing inwards with a stiff reinforcing 'bridge', which redistributes the pressure to the sides of this void. That sounds like it could relieve more pressure.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I haven't time to watch the full video at the minute. I am inherently sceptical.
Will have a longer look later.
Wonder if CEM as a view.
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I would be interested in CEM's view on this prospective product as well.
Last time I spoke to him at the end of January he said he didn't have any replacement heated insoles and batteries and didn't know when the next lot would arrive from China. I patched up my existing kit with gaffer tape several times and it lasted out the 53 days skiing of my season.
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It's a very glossy website with some impressive looking anatomic stuff but it is very light on coverage of the actual product. Unclear whether there really is one as yet or simply some prototypes to prove the concept and generate data. Maybe the whole thing is a pitch to footwear manufacturers rather than consumers. The spectrometer graphic is intuitively hard to understand and shouldn't substitute for a product shot.
I've had a look at another stock liner and it too has cutouts at the bottom of the tongue. I can buy the idea that a solid bridge might well work but I question on how it fits for volume as an aftermarket part hence needing OEMs on board.
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I would have thought the obvious way to monetise would be to licence the idea to boot and liner manufacturers. Or sell the patent to one of them, if they want it to be exclusive to their products. Punters would pay a decent premium, if it significantly reduces cold toes and pain.
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@Fat George, thanks for bringing it to our attention by the way.
Seem a bit like MIPS (if I've got the right acronym) for helmets?
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Tue 5-07-22 14:15; edited 1 time in total
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| koru wrote: |
| . . obvious way . . licence the idea to boot and liner manufacturers . . sell the patent . . . |
Watching the full video and reading the website, he says that's already what he's doing.
| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| . . . actual product. . . . |
The mentions on the website that I see are of development, not of a finished product being available. There is no mention of how to buy a pair, or a price. I think that's the stage he's at.
I'd expect there to be a long wait before manufactured products are there to be bought.
Possibly forever. Because it's possible the ski boot manufacturers may not be interested in it at all as an item integrated into the boot for various reasons. And as @DoM says, retrofitting it as a separately-sold product may not turn out to be practicable, as ski boots differ from one another a fair bit. There are plenty of examples of good ideas that have bitten the dust in the commercial environment for reasons which were not that they didn't work better than what was already there and couldn't be done for a reasonable price.
If there had already been a product bought on the market and some positive customer feedback then I'd certainly consider it.
At this stage, as a person who has suffered from cold feet, and outright pain in ski boots, and who thinks something was sorely lacking in the design of nearly all those that I've used, the reason I put this up was interest in the analysis of why and how it is such a common phenomenon, and how something can and should be done about it. Meanwhile I bless my cabrio boots and heated insoles.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I suffer horrendously with cold feet (spicy blood in my veins). I have found that having boots too tight is a major player in this problem but I bought some Conformable heated boot soles a few years back and havent looked back since.
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Think we'll be discussing this in Episode 97 of The Ski Podcast - interesting idea
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