 Poster: A snowHead
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I recently got a pair of boots fitted (at the most highly recommended boot fitter in the land).
After a trip to the fridge in MK, I had quite sever tingling/numbness in the toes on my right foot. I didn't get any of that sensation when I was at the fitters, so I'm wondering if I'm overtightening the buckles?
The bottom bindings are finger tight, and sometimes even close themselves when I flex the boot, so that's not the issue. I am tightening the buckles in the following order (5 being the strap and 1 being the bindings closest to my toes) 3, 4, 5, 2, 1.
I like 3, 4 and 5 to grip my calf quite snuggly, otherwise I find my shin will bruise. I have a feeling I am doing this a bit tighter than was done in the shops.
So I guess my question is, am I causing the numbness by overtightening the buckles? Just how snug/tight should the boots be around your calf/shin?
Want to get the collective wisdom of  before I go back for an adjustment!!
EDIT: By "finger tight" for buckles 1 and 2, I mean I can waft at them with my pinkie and they will close/open.
Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Wed 1-12-21 22:07; edited 1 time in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Which toes are tingling, and where exactly. There are a few nerves that route through different parts of your feet: https://www.plantarfasciamn.com/nerve-entrapments/
Also make sure your heel is set properly in the boot, as that can play a big part part in where your boot pressures your foot, and may have been different from your fitting. My preferred method is pulling the liner forward and up (as if you were just starting to take it out) before putting the foot in the boot. When you push your foot (and now liner) down into the back of the shell, I find it locates it into the heel pocket like nothing else - no amount of banging the boot heel comes close (and saves you trashing your boot heel in the long term).
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Pejoli, my little toe, my "ring" toe and my middle toe.
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The feet buckles (1, 2) shouldn't be tight - just enough to keep the snow out.
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The 2 buckles over the foot should only be as tight as will stop them from opening - and no tighter.
A really well fitted ski boot may well not need to be as tight as a boot that is a little on the big side.
If possible, place the power strap directly over the inner boot ie. behind the shell. This takes up the free room that might appear between the liner and your calf when flexing.
The upper buckles should firm - but not cranked.
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@MorningGory, they're not. I could open/close them with my little finger with almost no pressure. As I said, they may even close themselves if I locate the buckle and flex the boot.
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
The 2 buckles over the foot should only be as tight as will stop them from opening - and no tighter.
A really well fitted ski boot may well not need to be as tight as a boot that is a little on the big side.
If possible, place the power strap directly over the inner boot ie. behind the shell. This takes up the free room that might appear between the liner and your calf.
The upper buckles should firm - but not cranked. |
That might be my problem. I'll take time with the strap to make sure it doesn't grip the shell. The foot buckles are so not tight they close themselves when located if I flex the boot, so not tight at all.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| @Pejoli, my little toe, my "ring" toe and my middle toe. |
So that could well be pressure on your instep (top of the foot against the tongue. As I edited in above, make sure your foot is properly in the heel pocket - if it’s forward, you may be applying excess pressure there. Also make sure the tongue is located properly - pulling it ‘up’ can help seat it properly.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| The foot buckles are so not tight they close themselves when located if I flex the boot, so not tight at all. |
It's always worth checking - just in case.
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@Pejoli, I'll make sure the heel is properly located as you suggest. I always pull the tongue up. Took me years to realise you needed to do that!
@Old Fartbag, Yup. I can't get the strap behind the shell unfortunately.
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"I recently got a pair of boots fitted (at the most highly recommended boot fitter in the land)."
Maybe a phone call for advice before returning for adjustment ??
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@limegreen1, want to check I'm not being an idiot first! Luckily I only live 10 mins away from them, so I'll be popping up.
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@Timmycb5,
to locate the heel properly do the "heel strike" each time you tighten #3
Just stretch your leg while seated, lift it about a foot and let go
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You know it makes sense.
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I have my boots as loose as possible for the first few runs .. sometimes i physically cant get the top clip anywhere the loosest setting and just do the strap up. Have to get the circulation going first then adjust.. worst thing is definitely overtightening , no matter how slight .. loosen off your buckles to start
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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My personal order which works for me, I've no idea whether it is "correct" or not.
5 Power buckle
Tap heel on ground to set heel as far back in the boot as it will go.
4 and 3 alternately by one or two notches at a time gradually tightening to get a nice fit. 3 is probably the most "cranked" again keeping heel back.
1 and 2 absolute minimum pressure. Little finger only tight.
Plus what @Pejoli, said, toungue sitting correctly etc
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@Timc, I was given strict instruction to do the buckles in 3, 4, 5, 2/1 order. My last boots I used to do the same as you, but these ones are so fitted, there is no way I need to do the 3/4 alternating thing.
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| Oleski wrote: |
@Timmycb5,
to locate the heel properly do the "heel strike" each time you tighten #3
Just stretch your leg while seated, lift it about a foot and let go |
@Oleski try my method - you’ll be amazed ! I rave about it to anyone in the boot room who has the misfortune to sit near me. Super-simple, but locates the foot in the back of the boot like nothing else!
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3 does all the work. I often leave 2 unfastened as that's the one that can cause nerve pain.
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@Timmycb5, Boots from the same place. I have to do 5 first otherwise 4 and 3 won't reach. I was told exactly the same as you. I just find it easier my way.
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@Timmycb5, Radical thought - if you got them fitted at most recommended bootfitter in land, why not just give him a ring for advice? It's what he does.
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| RobinS wrote: |
| @Timmycb5, Radical thought - if you got them fitted at most recommended bootfitter in land, why not just give him a ring for advice? It's what he does. |
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| @limegreen1, want to check I'm not being an idiot first! Luckily I only live 10 mins away from them, so I'll be popping up. |
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Just spoke to CEM. Think it's going to be largely down to my stupidly tight calf muscles (I can barely get my foot past 90 degrees to my leg  ). He's given me homework of foam rolling my calves and then taking them for another spin and see if the instep pressure is reduced.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| Just spoke to CEM. Think it's going to be largely down to my stupidly tight calf muscles (I can barely get my foot past 90 degrees to my leg ). He's given me homework of foam rolling my calves and then taking them for another spin and see if the instep pressure is reduced. |
Trigger Point Roller videos on YouTube give a good guide to technique - It will be very painful to start with.
Also use a Golf Ball on the soles of the feet and work on the tight spots.
Stretches - Lots of
- Calf stretches
- Achilles stretches
- Muscles along the shin (sit on your heels)
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@Old Fartbag, cheers, I'll check that out.
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I have similar issues at the start of every season particularly if using surface lifts, I put it down to cycling causing my calves to contract over the summer. Regular stretches and a couple of days skiing sorts it out for me.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Is a drop of 15cm for someone who is 6'4 good? 
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You know it makes sense.
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| Is a drop of 15cm for someone who is 6'4 good? |
"The ideal range for safe skiing on the drop test is between 15cm and 20cm with the same flex range on the right and left ankle. Our previous findings showed the national average was 11cm, with the lowest score being 4cm. Most importantly over 95% of people showed a clear difference between left and right ankle flex."
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Old Fartbag, not too bad then
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Ordered one off amazon straight after getting off the phone to CEM!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
| Ordered one off amazon straight after getting off the phone to CEM! |
They are great for releasing tightness - especially in legs and hips. The IT Band, down the outside of the leg, can get especially tight.
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
The 2 buckles over the foot should only be as tight as will stop them from opening - and no tighter.
A really well fitted ski boot may well not need to be as tight as a boot that is a little on the big side.
If possible, place the power strap directly over the inner boot ie. behind the shell. This takes up the free room that might appear between the liner and your calf when flexing.
The upper buckles should firm - but not cranked. |
That’s the advice I always received from ski clinic experts, when on day one they adjusted boot flex etc.
The buckle over the instep should never be closed tight, so’s not to restrict blood circulation.
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Rollered my calves for the first time yesterday.
Is it supposed to be painful afterwards? Currently feels similar to the aftermath if I get a cramp whilst swimming and can’t stretch it out
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
Rollered my calves for the first time yesterday.
Is it supposed to be painful afterwards? Currently feels similar to the aftermath if I get a cramp whilst swimming and can’t stretch it out |
Go easy to start with - and monitor. It's probably normal.
When I started, I couldn't take the pressure of one leg over the other.
It'll probably take 3 weeks of rolling every other day, to see a difference. It should gradually become less painful....remember, you have years of built up scar tissue there, especially if you have always been active.
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@Old Fartbag, cheers.
Yeah, have always been. I think there is definitely something going on precisely where I’ve had cramps swimming.
I’ll keep rolling and doing stretches to try and sort it out
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| Timmycb5 wrote: |
@Old Fartbag, cheers.
Yeah, have always been. I think there is definitely something going on precisely where I’ve had cramps swimming.
I’ll keep rolling and doing stretches to try and sort it out |
Report in with progress.
If properly "loose", there should be no pain. I would say, the most painful areas, will be where you get cramp, as they are the tightest. As in the video above, hold the painful areas on top of the roller. If it hurts, it's tight. The more it hurts, the tighter it is.
For general relief, check out this chap - useful techniques and stretches: https://www.diyjointpainrelief.com/
Calf stretches: https://www.diyjointpainrelief.com/best-calf-stretches.html
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