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Has anybody come up with a cunning plan of how to get seasonal work in the alps (when travel is allowed) for non EU passport holders?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Then wait for it to be rejected.
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| Daleskier wrote: |
| Has anybody come up with a cunning plan of how to get seasonal work in the alps |
Marry an EU citizen?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
| Daleskier wrote: |
| Has anybody come up with a cunning plan of how to get seasonal work in the alps |
Marry an EU citizen? |
Yup, or a Swissie.
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The above, or:
Legal options
- become an influential politician and reverse Brexit
- become a National Team level wintersports coach
- meet the requirements and establish residency in an alpine nation
- persuade an EU business they need you badly enough to sponsor a work visa, and meet the requirements
- apply for a Swiss work permit and meet the requirements (degree qualification in the working discipline)
- have seven-figures in the bank and buy EU citizenship from Malta, Latvia etc. (semi-legal)
Illegal options
- have a job (employed or self-employed) where you can WFH, a VPN, and a 90-day tourist visa
- tourist visa and find work for cash in resort (and don't get "controlled")
I'm sure there are others 
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Oh yes, be a nationally or internationally famous scientist, writer, artist, intellectual, performer, educator or sports-person 
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Does anyone have an inside line on how the TO’s like esprit and Mark Warner are going to manage? They must take on thousands of seasonairs every winter.
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Could my nephew and his girlfriend “volunteer”? To be honest when I did my seasons for SkiBound it was not far off volunteering anyway and I didn’t have the slightest problem with that. We were paid into a UK bank minus Board and lodgings, uniform, training, travel etc. etc. It really wasn’t about the pay check!
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@Thick As, TOs are going to find it very tricky to recruit UK-national anglophones. The age of the "classic" british (well, mostly english) chalet is over.
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One more: possibly have relevant qualifications/experience/languages and be brought over by a specialist EU Temping Agency. Track and Flow are currently testing this approach for outdoor professionals.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Could my nephew and his girlfriend “volunteer”?
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Most countries class volunteering as work. I guess in their eyes you are taking a would be paid job from a local person. If they are under 30 worth looking I to working holiday visa - Canada and new Zealand.
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@under a new name, do you not think that there will be temporary seasonal visas in future? After all, we have them in the UK for fruit-pickers etc?
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You know it makes sense.
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| shep wrote: |
| Oh yes, be a nationally or internationally famous scientist, writer, artist, intellectual, performer, educator or sports-person |
You missed off "Influencer" whatever the f**k they are!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @Thick As, TOs are going to find it very tricky to recruit UK-national anglophones. The age of the "classic" british (well, mostly english) chalet is over. |
Yup : just hire a dutchie, swede or pole to wash pots and make beds. They all speak good english...
The buisness model for UK chalets (dependent on hiring staff on UK contracts) is finished
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Poster: A snowHead
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| boobleblooble wrote: |
| @under a new name, do you not think that there will be temporary seasonal visas in future? After all, we have them in the UK for fruit-pickers etc? |
Does ski instructor or chalet host count as seasonal agricultural work? Can't see France including hospitality or ski instructor as equivalent 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
| under a new name wrote: |
| @Thick As, TOs are going to find it very tricky to recruit UK-national anglophones. The age of the "classic" british (well, mostly english) chalet is over. |
Yup : just hire a dutchie, swede or pole to wash pots and make beds. They all speak good english...
The buisness model for UK chalets (dependent on hiring staff on UK contracts) is finished |
On my 2020 ski holiday with Crystal, the Reps were UK based dual nationals or from 'English' speaking EU countries (e.g. Ireland/Netherlands/Denmark/Sweden).
I assume Mark Warner/SkiWorld etc could/will follow the same model..
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@boobleblooble, no.
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| Thick As wrote: |
| Could my nephew and his girlfriend “volunteer”? |
If they are in a position to work and save enough in advance that volunteering would be an option, they could just ski rent a room and ski every day instead  Still gotta get around the 90 day rule though...
| boobleblooble wrote: |
| @under a new name, do you not think that there will be temporary seasonal visas in future? After all, we have them in the UK for fruit-pickers etc? |
Seems rather unlikely for ski work. We need more fruit pickers as Brits don't want to do it. There are hundreds of thousands of EU citizens who speak flawless English + other languages who want to work in ski resorts; there's no need to bring in cheap UK labour to fill the spots.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Still gotta get around the 90 day rule though... |
There are expected to be longer term Tourist visas, at least for France, any word on what Austria will do ?
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| rjs wrote: |
| clarky999 wrote: |
| Still gotta get around the 90 day rule though... |
There are expected to be longer term Tourist visas, at least for France, any word on what Austria will do ? |
That's cool for France! For AT honestly I have no idea. I believe there's something called a Visa D for trips between 90 days and 6 months, but I've heard conflicting things about whether it has to be for a specific purpose like studying or research or similar, and I'm not sure if it's open to anyone or if there are any pre-requisites.
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@Mankei, The website at your link seems broken, it puts a grayed out box over everything.
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@rjs, Works for me, but there is a cookie popup that maybe you're not seeing
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@rjs, France already offers a one-year tourist visa. Nothing stopping someone from entering France and slipping over the border to their intended destination, especially with Schengen etc.
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Funny how the OP never returned to the thread. Almost as if if he knew the answer before it was given.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| telford_mike wrote: |
| Funny how the OP never returned to the thread. Almost as if if he knew the answer before it was given. |
Or, he didn't get what he's after, a "cunning" plan legally. So he's accepted there's no way.
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Thanks for the info. I am of the opinion that doing a season and working is of more benefit than not working. Would also add that any type of season is better than none though. The 1 year tourist visa would be a good option though. I’m sure as a qualified and experienced child minder and a considerate, polite and resourceful chap , my nephew and his GF would manage to keep themselves busy.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Apply for a Carte de Sejour before the 1st of July...you still can
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Poster: A snowHead
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| telford_mike wrote: |
| Funny how the OP never returned to the thread. Almost as if if he knew the answer before it was given. |
I’m listening, I have explored the possibilities, can’t see any that work, so I’m just checking I’ve not missed anything
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Idris wrote: |
| Apply for a Carte de Sejour before the 1st of July...you still can |
I’m not planning on living in France on a permanent basis, my wife would not approve
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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If you are a Brit and were resident in the EU before Brexit your residency rights are protected which includes employment. However, i am not sure that this includes working in a different EU country (other than business trips).
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| boobleblooble wrote: |
| @rjs, France already offers a one-year tourist visa. Nothing stopping someone from entering France and slipping over the border to their intended destination, especially with Schengen etc. |
True. But if caught elsewhere it might risk getting flagged on the ETIAS system and losing all access to the EU, possibly for life. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I am of the opinion that doing a season and working is of more benefit than not working.
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Why?! If you have the money, being able to ski all day and not worry about work is much preferred. Especially, when that work is low paid casual work that's not going to offer anything long term or stand out on a CV.
It doesn't have to cost the earth. My trips from UK to Canada work out about £3k for 3 months (although you can stay up to 180 days there if you want). Which is not much more than some people spend on 2 weeks holiday in Europe.
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| Hurdy wrote: |
| If you are a Brit and were resident in the EU before Brexit your residency rights are protected which includes employment. However, i am not sure that this includes working in a different EU country (other than business trips). |
Sadly only for the country you are resident in. I'm not sure how business trips etc to other EU countries will work yet, but you definitely can no longer up sticks from eg Austria to go and work in Italy or wherever.
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
| ... If you have the money, being able to ski all day and not worry about work is much preferred. Especially, when that work is low paid casual work that's not going to offer anything long term or stand out on a CV.... |
You might be surprised. Unexplained gaps on a CV are an immediate question mark / red flag to some employers and can be an easy way to sift down hundreds of CVs to something more manageable, particularly now that some companies do this step via software. "Low paid casual work" that fills a gap might just be what gets you through to the interview stage!
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You might be surprised. Unexplained gaps on a CV are an immediate question mark / red flag to some employers
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Perhaps it varies from profession to profession. I can't say in the area I used to work in a shortish (6month or less) unexplained gap would be looked at any different to a casual work. Especially for younger people, a couple of months gap would just be assumed they went travelling. Most of the times it can be covered up pretty easy by just putting years rather than months too on CV e.g.:
Job 1 2010-2012
Job 2 2012-14
Nobody knows you actually left job 1 at the start of Jan and spent a few months skiing before starting job 2.
The thing is you can go for a lot less time if you are not working. I rarely do more than 90days now as if you are out everyday that's more than enough! The idea of dealing with variable conditions early and late season also becomes less enticing (you can't help but become a bit of a snow snob).
It's all moot anyway as once you've done a season you will be sacrificing career to be back for more 
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
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You might be surprised. Unexplained gaps on a CV are an immediate question mark / red flag to some employers
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Perhaps it varies from profession to profession. I can't say in the area I used to work in a shortish (6month or less) unexplained gap would be looked at any different to a casual work. Especially for younger people, a couple of months gap would just be assumed they went travelling. Most of the times it can be covered up pretty easy by just putting years rather than months too on CV e.g.:
Job 1 2010-2012
Job 2 2012-14
Nobody knows you actually left job 1 at the start of Jan and spent a few months skiing before starting job 2.
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I suspect it's only true for "some" employers. Personally, I'm not sure I give priority to employers who insist my life should be a slave of my job anyway.
Granted, for some "career" that are rather boring kind to start with, it may be a more significant issue.
In any case, be ready with a passable explanation for the most recent gap. Preferably one that fits the expectation of the potential employer.
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@ecureuil, fair point except ETIAS isn't up and running yet. I know for certain of a few from last season who overstayed in Switzerland (amongst other countries) and then exited via France. As they weren't stamped on entry into Schengen pre-1st Jan there was nothing in the passport to see in Paris/Dover. They just got an exit stamp and a shrug. One is so committed she's going to 'lose' her passport and buy another in case when she returns to Switzerland they check their local (country) database and compare it to the French stamp and ask difficult questions.
ETIAS is due to be running next year however. Of course, if you've crossed a land border into somewhere other than France then how is anyone to know? You still have 90/180 in the rest of Schengen as well as the French tourist visa.
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