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Ski advice needed!
After a 20+ Year gap I returned to the slopes three years ago, and yes(!), it’s like riding a bike - except , what’s happened to the skis? Is it a legal requirement to carve?  I’m a decent black run skier but I don’t want to tear around all day long but I do want to maintain some of my old school (skool?) style and probably stay on piste most of the time. What would be a good pair of skis? I’ve been looking at Factor and possibly some softer GS skis to get the length I prefer without such a massive shovel at the front. Any ideas would be great.
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You need to wait until Autumn if you are going to buy.
Go on the Oktobertest either in the South or North England (depending on where you are based) and try a dozen skis on the same slope.
In the meantime hire and try several
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I was in a similar situation. Spent a few seasons instructing on a pair of 204cm GS skis and then a 25 year break. When I got back into it it was all weird skis and people wearing helmets! I now ski three or four weeks a season (Covid permitting) and have finished up with two pairs of skis. One is an all mountain ski but the other is very much a carving ski (Hero Pro short turn). When you get the hang of these new fangled carving skis they're a whole lot of fun!
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@Gnasherdog, Welcome!
Skis have come on light years since you last skied. Firstly, your old school technique will not be wasted and will ultimately be a benefit in terms of bumps and variable snow. GS skis, like Rossignol Long Turns will be the closest things to 1990's skis you will find.... However..... it is well worth spending the time to get on with some of the more spoony varieties as the rewards can be big. A few seasons hiring and trying out different styles and lengths of skis would be my top recommendation. If you knew what you were doing in the past, it won't take long to get a feel for the new skis and you will benefit from trying out different sets.
I was a late convert from straight skis to shaped ones as the early ones had very poor torsional strength and would high side you at regular intervals! I now favour a piste ski for the narrow waist but don't mind the wide shovels on them and tend to look at the radius to get an idea of how they might ski rather than the length or the dimensions of the tips and tails. You will definitely come down in length from 20 years ago. I used to ski 190/200cm and now look at piste skis in the 175/180cm range.
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Moved to The Piste as suggested as this is really not weather related.
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Thanks for the advice. Sorry this was posted in the wrong area!
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As @Klamm Franzer, says, that embedded experience won't go to waste. Good technique will extract significant performance from current skis with ease, but they'll also become more relaxed when you want to turn down the pace.
Worthwhile having a look at reviews of Kastlè FX 96HP to see a good ski described, along with contemporary skis around that ability.
More for the discussion and mix of attributes something like this has. They have a particularly strong mid section to bring that more GS orientation while adding more scope in other directions.
As already mentioned, the big shovels make not much difference on piste with many current geometry, but are certainly welcome when busy conditions bring a lot of cut up piste at day's end. Exploring more of soft conditions also more pleasure than hard work.
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I didn't have a large gap - but did have to adapt from Straight Skis....which was somewhat easier, as the modern shaped ski has been constantly evolving into what is about today. Piste skis have got more shaped, All Mountain skis have got wider, dedicated Powder skis have features that that make them so much easier.
In the era of Straight skis, you had one pair for everything - and there were marginal differences between an SL ski and a GS ski - and most Blokes were on a 190 to a 2m ski - where ski length was a measure of your competence (even if only bluffing). Construction seemed to revolve around Wood (often Torsion Box/Double Torsion Box) or "Mousse Plastique".
Given the 60m or so Turn radius, there was Up Unweighting or Down Unweighting; Foot Steering and a tight radius was achieved by Short Swings. Carving required great technique, lots of Speed and all your pressure on the outside ski. Off Piste required "Bouncing"......but you know this.
So what has changed?
Well - pretty much everything.
Skis have become more specialised - but also more versatile. Construction has come on in leaps and bounds, allowing skis to become lighter, yet with greater torsional stiffness.
When choosing skis - it becomes important to know what you want them for....so Piste only? All Mountain versatility? More Freeride orientated? If remaining On Piste - do you like SL or GS radius, or something in between? The other decision is whether you like a very stable "damp" ski, or something more playful.....skill, weight and preference also come into this. It is well worth trying some alternatives before coming to a decision - as the experience is so different to yesteryear.
Old school technique "works", and is also advisable in some situations (like Moguls), but misses the point of what these skis are all about and doesn't tap into the power that Modern Skis can generate.
The biggest change, is that the shape of a modern Piste Ski is such that only a sniff of an edge has them carving - so you have to learn to have a much quieter body, letting the skis do the work, by rolling them onto their edges. Skiing has become more 2 footed, while still putting the majority of weight on the D/Hill ski. A good Instructor will guide you through the changes.
I found that when I went from a 2m ski, to a short, turny and reactive Piste ski, I was left behind until I figured out how to remain in balance by keeping ahead of the turn. I skied for longer on Straight Skis (nearly 30 years), than on Shaped Skis (nearly 20 years).
Last edited by You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. on Sun 21-02-21 18:00; edited 6 times in total
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And you wouldn't want people to think you were a Mincing Frenchman, would you?
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If you are going to ski predominantly pistes but do not want to tear around all the time do no get GS skis. However there are plenty of "piste performance" skis in the high 70- low80 waist widths which would do fine with a bit of versatility for other stuff.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Take up boarding - perfect mid life crisis return to the slopes
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A couple of refresher lessons on carvers would also help you as an instructor will help you adjust to them - in group lessons I’ve previously been in skiers who previously used the traditional straight skis although looked to have good technique but their stance tends to be very narrow which as said previously is great for moguls but not so good if you want to get the most of your carvers.
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You know it makes sense.
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I went with the opposite out of interest, took some 1970's skis with me, serviced and sharpened to run in contrast to modern kit.
Wow, do they punish poor technique. Good fun but you've no let up in concentration else they'll just be off doing something other than you intended.
Modern skis, you can throw a huge range of input to them and still stay on top side. It really is so easy to ski them and given good observstion and reading of the slope (that doesn't really change does it?) they're far less challenging in recreational environment.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Gnasherdog wrote: |
After a 20+ Year gap I returned to the slopes three years ago, and yes(!), it’s like riding a bike - except , what’s happened to the skis? Is it a legal requirement to carve? Yes* I’m a decent black run skier (no, you used to be. New program to be getting with) but I don’t want to tear around all day long Why Not? but I do want to maintain some of my old school (skool?) style No. You Really Do Not. Unless you want to look old skool, at which point all the cool kids will be doing what the cool kids always do. and probably stay on piste most of the time a chacun son gout. What would be a good pair of skis? Anything. Anything at all. Really hard to buy a bad pair of skis these days. Unsuitable skis? Different story. I’ve been looking at Factor Why? and possibly some softer GS skis to get the length I prefer (Suits you Sir? I thought technique and girth were more important?) without such a massive shovel at the front. Any ideas would be great. |
* joke
Really truly, ...
1. get a lesson or two, probably 1 on 1, update your technique. What you used to do is helpful but what you can do now is massively easier and much, much more efficient. And much, much more fun.
2. try various skis, snowdomes too limited IMV to be much help. Next trip, a. let "us" know where as "we" might have recommendations and b. at least find a shop that will let you switch out many pairs. Try as many things as you can. Buy the ones you like most.
Simples. (oh, and don't get started on the boots thing. They haven't changed that much, but ... yours probably (almost certainly definitely) don't fit very well.)
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Poster: A snowHead
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Hi, 50 yer old skier, I am a 72 Year old skier (or perhaps I should say I was a 71 year old skier and will be a 73 year old skier -I hope)
I did a similar thing, 39 years ago, taking up after a 20 year gap. Skis had changed since the 50s, but I am not sure that they may have changed even more in the last 39 years but all to the good. Skiing is just easier now. OK, it will take a few days to get used to it but you have a lot of pleasure to look forward to! Basically you have to learn to do less and just let the ski shape do it for you.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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When we get a customer in for a lesson who is in the same position as the OP, my colleague has a nice way of describing their skiing - 'It's a bit Windows 95'. ie, yes it will work, but things have come on a long way, and there are other things that will work much better!
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@karin, "Windows95"??
Surely a bit "MS-DOS"?
I don't recall Windows functionality being ever quite as discontinuous as comparing my 1990s Rossignol 7SKs with my 2017 Blizzard Bonafides ...
Am I showing my age?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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No doubt you will have noticed that the pistes are now much smoother and everyone is skiing faster. The moguls and the soft snow are gone. Most people are now skiing with their feet wider apart but you don’t have to and that means there is scope for you to shine with your elegant old school feet together stance. 
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@Peter S, titter 
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@under a new name, my colleague's phrase, not mine - he's never been great with tech, he probably wouldn't know what MS-DOS was
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Mmm, carving old school skis  there was a fairly gentle cross mountain trail in the resort I started skiing in the 1980s and our instructor was teaching us to carve on 2m skis! He said he wanted us to ski the entire length of this trail without releasing the edge on any of the corners, so it was the full on racing line, go wide, almos into the mountainside, start the carve at about 50m radius, clip your jacket sleeve on the fence at the apex then hope that you can make those parallel planks turn enough without stuffing into the mountainside as you exit the turn, leaving two perfectly sharp lines in the snow throughout the turn. I loved it, but for some bizarre reason (probably my older brother's bad influence) I stuck with the long skis for years after short radius carvers became available.
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I guess I must just be stubborn. But my reasoning for sticking with my 200cm Dynastar S4 Coupes is: 1. It took many years to become proficient with the old school technique. 2. I am quite proud to show that I can still ski very well on straight skis. 3. I get a kick out of placing my skis on the rack and seeing how much longer they are (yes I come from the my skis are longer than yours era). 4. I have 4 pairs of brand new skis waiting to be used. 5. I really don't feel that I have a hard time getting them to turn long or short. Boots? Still on my old ones with no problems. Bindings? Still on my Marker M48 Racing with zero problems. Hold and release when they should. Last reason is I will never be as good a skier as I was in 2002 even with modern equipment.
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Welcome to snowheads!
| Andre straightski wrote: |
| I will never be as good a skier as I was in 2002 even with modern equipment. |
I think that you will find that you probably won't be far off unless you were racing professionally.....
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Actually, I have found that 'old school' technique works wonders with modern equipment. Bumps is definitely old school regardless of what's on your feet; so is a lot of off-piste and variable snow and steeps and getting yourself out of sticky situations........
Carving skis are great for carving. Powder skis are great for powder. All mountain skis are great for marketing people and hire shops 
Equipment is temporary, technique is forever.
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Well I am looking at new boots and bindings. I have been a Marker man forever but I think any new binding I get will be a Look. Boots are a tough one however. I have wide feet and my current boots fit like a glove. But as long as I can turn them, I'll be sticking to my straights. Thanks for add me. Nice forum.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| karin wrote: |
| When we get a customer in for a lesson who is in the same position as the OP, my colleague has a nice way of describing their skiing - 'It's a bit Windows 95'. ie, yes it will work, but things have come on a long way, and there are other things that will work much better! |
What's the ski equivalent of Linux 
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| musher wrote: |
| karin wrote: |
| When we get a customer in for a lesson who is in the same position as the OP, my colleague has a nice way of describing their skiing - 'It's a bit Windows 95'. ie, yes it will work, but things have come on a long way, and there are other things that will work much better! |
What's the ski equivalent of Linux |
Telemark?
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Peter S wrote: |
| Most people are now skiing with their feet wider apart but you don’t have to and that means there is scope for you to shine with your elegant old school feet together stance. |
I had a 20 year gap & when I got back into skiing about 6 years ago I took to the carving like a duck to water but I have to say when your sat on a lift going up watching the people coming down & you see an old school skier with the ankles glued together it does look so elegant, I wish I could look as good.
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Poster: A snowHead
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On parallel skis I couldn’t for the life of me ski with my ankles glued together.
Then they developed parabolic carvers and on to modern skis.
I like to think of myself as a trendsetter.
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| Orange200 wrote: |
On parallel skis I couldn’t for the life of me ski with my ankles glued together.
Then they developed parabolic carvers and on to modern skis.
I like to think of myself as a trendsetter. |
Likewise. Could never keep skis close together, just did what felt comfortable to me. 15 years later, everyone's doing it.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| 195062 wrote: |
| 15 years later, everyone's doing it. |
Not in bumps, if you can ski them properly ...
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| under a new name wrote: |
| 195062 wrote: |
| 15 years later, everyone's doing it. |
Not in bumps, if you can ski them properly ... |
I can't! And at my age, I'm not really bothered. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Andre straightski wrote: |
| I guess I must just be stubborn. But my reasoning for sticking with my 200cm Dynastar S4 Coupes is: 1. It took many years to become proficient with the old school technique. 2. I am quite proud to show that I can still ski very well on straight skis. 3. I get a kick out of placing my skis on the rack and seeing how much longer they are (yes I come from the my skis are longer than yours era). 4. I have 4 pairs of brand new skis waiting to be used. 5. I really don't feel that I have a hard time getting them to turn long or short. Boots? Still on my old ones with no problems. Bindings? Still on my Marker M48 Racing with zero problems. Hold and release when they should. Last reason is I will never be as good a skier as I was in 2002 even with modern equipment. |
If you are happy and have no problems then carry on.
Out of interest why do you have "4 pairs of brand new skis waiting to be used"? I am guessing they are straights from 20+ years ago..
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| Andre straightski wrote: |
| Well I am looking at new boots and bindings. I have been a Marker man forever but I think any new binding I get will be a Look. Boots are a tough one however. I have wide feet and my current boots fit like a glove. But as long as I can turn them, I'll be sticking to my straights. Thanks for add me. Nice forum. |
Oh, so you're not happy then?
Boots, it's all about finding a good boot fitter.
Bindings, you get what you pay for. If you are light skier, cruising the pistes not exerting pressure low end would do.
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@Gnasherdog, what issue do you have with the "massive" shovel at the front?
I'm 53, I did relearn how to ski, I had some "bad" habits around popping up to unweight skis, which is totally unnecessary now on modern kit. You can still skid a turn, you can engage the edge at different phases, there is no need to carve all the time, but blimey when you get it right it's a fantastic feeling!
I'm enjoying piste skiing so much more on modern kit, but defo get a few lessons and then demo some skis once your technique has been tweaked and hopefully you'll be skiing for many more years to come with a big smile on your face!
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@Andre straightski, have you tested out any of the newer skis? It's all well and good getting the nod from a few hipsters because you're on old kit, but there is a reason that things have changed and progressed.
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But my reasoning for sticking with my 200cm Dynastar S4 Coupes is: 1. It took many years to become proficient with the old school technique.
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Hmm...Each to their own... I love showing off on skinny telemark skis and leather boots....but (as with alpine) techniques change, and I can do so much more on shorter, wider, shaped and rockered ski. I have bigger world to play in on newer kit. I'm now in my late 50s, still trying and expecting to improve
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Yes, I have 4 pairs of new in plastic straights. I still have fun with them. I also had a big 12 year gap in my skiing. Got to return this season. Found that I didn't forget how but I am out of condition. Looking to retuning to bump skiing next season if I can. I will be 60 next year. As far as not being happy with my boots? Nothing is further from the truth. I am very happy but boots are one piece of equipment that age the most. As far as switching binding brands, I mean if I were to get a new set. The Look bindings seem the least changed from the straight ski era. Poles? Probably can use forever. Mine are from the early 80s. As far as the new skis being an improvement? Not sure about that if one needs to buy a quiver to handle all conditions.
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