Watching this video from the Ski Touring for Wallies thread - http://youtube.com/v/BedSGuuLW58 and at 5:10 Cody talks about skiing with one binding with zero elasticity and the other binding with elasticity: holding the edge with the shock absorbing qualities endowed by the elastic binding and losing the edge on the inelastic binding.
I’d thought about binding elasticity being exclusively useful for preventing/recovering from pre-releases, drawing the toe/heel back when displaced.
Cody’s comments make it sound like binding elasticity delivers improved ridability and the magic ability to hold an edge better. My take is that most elasticity in bindings is *latreral* provided by heel and toe lateral displacement. Lateral elasticity is parallel to the main plane of the ski so wouldn’t improve holding an edge. I can see there would be some shock absorption provided at heel and toe by upward flexing normal to the plane of the ski so is that what Cody experienced as the source of the magic edge-hold?
I don’t see that lateral elasticity would have a major *shock absorbing* effect: improving ridability or magically securing that edge.
I’ve always had in mind that eradicating transmission losses between limb and ski gave best control - you move your foot 2mm and the ski moves 2mm. If you’re in sloppy boots, have unfitting bindings then small limb movements are lost, decoupled from the ski. We all develop and understand the “feel” of the link between our limbs and our skis when we’re sporting our beloved and usual equipment. When you change boots/socks (or heaven forbid, rent boots) you have to learn the new “feel” and you do.
Other sources of elasticity in the limb to ski connection which probably make a greater contribution to ridability and edge control are boot/liner flex and compressibility.
Thick socks don’t contribute too much to shock absorption but possibly of the same order as lateral binding elasticity.
Cody’s comments: puff or precise?
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@KenX, que?
Anyway, for 99.99% of the skiing audience, marketing puff.
Anyway, for 99.99% of the skiing audience, marketing puff.
Have to disagree there (I didn't watch the video though so await being corrected ). But I think the vast majority of skiers would notice a huge difference riding eg hard re-frozen spring snow in the morning on tech bindings compared to alpine bindings.
@clarky999, nope still going to disagree. I think 99.99% of skiers wouldn't notice if they were on skis, snowboards ot tea trays.
I think I'm pretty sensitive to such things, but I don't notice the difference at all.
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Then you can post your own questions or snow reports...
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@clarky999, nope still going to disagree. I think 99.99% of skiers wouldn't notice if they were on skis, snowboards ot tea trays.
I think I'm pretty sensitive to such things, but I don't notice the difference at all.
I’ll take your word for it, but I find it really amazing that on that sort of tooth-rattling snow you don’t find the vibrations more jarring/chatter-y on tech bindings than alpine bindings (which all gave some inbuilt compliance).
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@clarky999, having skied down refrozen bash tracks this very afternoon on my mk1 Dynafit Speeds ....
no, I really don't.
kinda tricky to organise a back to back test this year ... but, really, no.
i think its an artefact.
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@clarky999, having skied down refrozen bash tracks this very afternoon on my mk1 Dynafit Speeds ....
no, I really don't.
kinda tricky to organise a back to back test this year ... but, really, no.
i think its an artefact.
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Binding elasticity is a huge factor, it's science, not an opinion, not a gimmick, just facts.
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I’m a hack skiing wise and I notice the difference
In the world of cycling people have worked out that narrow tyres pumped to really high pressure may be fast on a perfectly flat track. However on roads which are always a bit uneven, super hard tyres get bounced by even small bits of unevenness. You’re better off having a wider slightly softer tyres which can absorb the bumps and keep contact with the road surface. This seems to be the same principle applied to skiing
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@Arno, Many cycle racers I know are going for fatter tyres then they used a few years ago,
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
Fat tires and decent elastic Alpine bindings all the way!