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Flexibility on France 90-day visa after Brexit is 'possible'
Light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak 
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Brexit/Flexibility-on-France-90-day-visa-after-Brexit-is-possible-for-UK-visitors-to-France-says-Europe-Minister-Clement-Beaune
Flexibility on France 90-day visa after Brexit is 'possible'
Europe Minister has suggested France could take measures to extend the visa-free time limit to allow UK visitors, including second-home owners, to stay longer.
France may be willing to look again at the 90-day rule for Britons in the future, the country’s Europe Minister has suggested.
Clément Beaune said it is possible France could take national measures to extend the visa-free time limit to allow UK visitors, including second-home owners, to extend stays beyond 90 days in any 180-day period, as per Schengen area rules.
Some Britons are unhappy that EU citizens visiting the UK will be able to stay for up to six months.
The difference is down to each side’s standard rules for visitors exempt from short-stay visas: the Schengen Borders Code on the one hand, and British immigration law on the other.
The Connexion asked Olivier Cadic senator for the French abroad, who lives in the UK, whether flexibility could be agreed for Britons coming to France, in view of the six-months rule in the UK.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Tony Connelly of RTE mentioned this last night in his overview of the current state of Brexit discussions:
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1341482445808537604
It seems to me this might be an option providing a trade deal is agreed, which includes a commitment from the UK not to discriminate when issuing short-stay visas to citizens from different EU member states. Let's hope all the pieces fall in to place. Currently Tony Connelly suggests the non-discrimination commitment is a sticking point in the negotiations.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Weathercam, I read something similar on a campervan thread recently. But I must admit it sounded more like desperate hope than fact at the current time. Full time motor-homers are obviously affected by this too. It was suggested that E.U. countries that rely on heavily on tourism will look to diverge from the 90/180 rule. For example offering 180 from 360 where 2x90 day stays would be allowed back to back to allow people to enjoy wintering in their 2nd homes. (either for winter sunshine or snow)
One problem I can foresee with this would be if you had to transit through another Schengen country that didn't allow it.
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@GeorgeVII, you would still have your 90 days in 180 in Schengen countries
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@holidayloverxx, Yes, but what if you had exceeded your "90" already if some countries decide to allow longer continuous stays?
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If you have an extended visa for a country then those days do not count on your Schengen clock. The accounting issue will come if individual countries say you are welcome for longer but don't issue bits of paper. As there are no checks within Schengen I see an issue.
Bottom line is I'm sure France would like me there drinking for 140 days a year not 89!
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What am I missing here? The 90 in 180 days is sans visa - with one how long can you stay and what does a visa cost for EU?
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@Snowsartre, its not about that. There is no Europe visa. Individual countries can make their own rules and issue visas which are only valid for that country
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@Snowsartre, I am resident in Austria, but the 90/180 day thing still applies to me in all other parts of the EU.
Obtaining a visa is country-specific and for specific purposes.
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you can't get a visa for the EU
you can get a visa for an individual country. That country will set the price, and decide on the application. For Schengen countries, they coordinated the validity duration of extended tourist visas etc. (to 1 year?)
If it's a Schengen country, then that visa will permit you to be in that country or cross a Schengen external border for its entire validity period, but will still be the standard 90 in 180 for excursions outside of that visa issuing country in to other Schengen countries.
exactly the same for residence permits with permission to carry out work etc (in that 1 country)
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Thanks all. Guess I muddied waters by saying EU when I really meant the country in which most will want to spend more than 90/180 days - which in most cases will be second home owners hence can't see a visa for longer is cause for despair. Yes you will pay something, but you probably can afford that if you have two properties and yes it will be a ball-ache to organise but, for me, very much in the first world problem category.
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@Snowsartre, except that many countries only issue visas for work or study purposes and there are specific qualifying criteria.
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@queenie pretty please, ah yes but that was pre-Brexit; Europe will, henceforth, be desperate to receive British patronage - I think I read that on the side of a bus......
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You know it makes sense.
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@Snowsartre, there is certainly potential for Spain to offer some sort of lengthened visa for rich retirees with Spanish property. But for most of EU27 British people simply become third country nationals and subject to the same rules as any other third country nationals.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@queenie pretty please, true and it's sad. Much as I recognise that secret ballots are an essential of proper democracy, there is part of me that wishes those that didn't want this mess could be recognised and benefit from our sense and keep travel rights. (Actually quite a lot more, in particular a belief we share a common culture and values with our neighbours).
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Poster: A snowHead
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Actually quite a lot more, in particular a belief we share a common culture and values with our neighbours
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2 questions:
Have you met my neighbours and are you into S&M? 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@queenie pretty please,
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there is certainly potential for Spain
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You can add Portugal to a possible list of countries that would welcome the income. It has a declining and ageing population, with little industry to speak of.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@AL9000, most likely not your particular neighbours!
But the UK shares with the rest of Europe a lot of culture and values. A historical background of Roman and then Church dominance. The renaissance and the enlightenment. A transition from feudal to democratic governments. More recent history of two 20th century world wars. An international literature heritage encompassing Shakespeare, Dante, Goethe, Cervantes etc. And music from Monteverdi to Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Berlioz, Liszt, Verdi, Strauss, Shostakovitch, Britten, etc. Art from Leonardo, Rembrandt, Velasquez, French impressionists, Picasso, etc. There are a handful on this forum who deny those bonds, but we are a huge lot closer to the EU than the USA, Russia or China (the only other major blocs available).
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@j b, Yebbut their tea is cr4p!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| AL9000 wrote: |
| @j b, Yebbut their tea is cr4p! |
... and they don't play cricket.
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@Weathercam, Thanks for that. Looks like you will be sorted.
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@AL9000, true but their coffee is reliable.
@Weathercam, thanks for that link, while the process seems a bit arduous (unless you live near one of the consulates) it does open up possibilities.
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I am not 100% certain that the UK will continue to allow visa free access to all Member States.
Prior to the accession states (Poland, Bulgaria, Romania etc) joining the EU many of them required a visa to even visit the UK. If the risk that these countries pose to the border rises (illegal working, criminality, overstaying etc) then it is possible that the UK may put a visa regime on that country.
If new states join the EU, such as North Macedonia or Serbia, who are already visa countries then the UK may not wish to waive the visa requirement just because they have joined the EU.
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@Weathercam, Thanks, bit of a faff.
Perhaps we can organise a sH meet as we all dutifully troop to the visa office.@j b, looks like a day out in Manchester for us.
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Thu 24-12-20 15:21; edited 1 time in total
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@chocksaway, yes, I had been thinking over in my mind the way to do that. It sounds as if they won't immediately return passports either, which means two visits.
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@j b, I believe they will send them back by courier. Hopefully, after you have done it once it won't require a visit. Oh hang on this is France and bureaucracy......
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@BoardieK, Not true. I have played cricket in France on a club tour and our club has now toured france three times, albeit most of the opposition has been expats and antipodeans in the wine industry. I have also played against a dutch touring team from Amsterdam. Indeed, there have been a number of dutch players who have played for english counties over the years.
Oh and the French seem to have some decidedly good rugby union talent at the moment
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You know it makes sense.
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I am not 100% certain that the UK will continue to allow visa free access to all Member States.
Prior to the accession states (Poland, Bulgaria, Romania etc) joining the EU many of them required a visa to even visit the UK. If the risk that these countries pose to the border rises (illegal working, criminality, overstaying etc) then it is possible that the UK may put a visa regime on that country.
If new states join the EU, such as North Macedonia or Serbia, who are already visa countries then the UK may not wish to waive the visa requirement just because they have joined the EU. |
The deal agreed yesterday seems to suggest visa-free visits for citizens of all current EU member states, but does not guarantee that for any new countries which may join the EU in the future.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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And an Ehic equivalent will be available.......
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Poster: A snowHead
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| j b wrote: |
| @AL9000, true but their coffee is reliable... |
Not in France it's not. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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True
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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The big cheap mugs of coffee in the French motorway aires are as dire as can be encountered anywhere. But the espresso is generally OK.
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I do hope that reasonable arrangements are made for British staff wanting to work in the alpine nations.
Perhaps holiday makers could fly to france rather than Switzerland if they are going to France. It would almost make the driving job I’ve lost possible!
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I do hope that reasonable arrangements are made for British staff wanting to work in the alpine nations
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Probably broadly reciprocal with arrangements for Europeans wanting to work in the UK - but severely limited compared to arrangements till now.
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I do hope that reasonable arrangements are made for British staff wanting to work in the alpine nations.
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There will always be work visas. The availability, cost, and hassle may or may not make it worthwhile for you. Maybe young Brits will start looking to other places like new Zealand that offer working holiday visas. Having worked in non-eu countries I can't say getting a visa was a huge hassle. Of course things are more difficult than before, but doesn't mean Brits working in EU is "over".
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