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Effect of age on ankles/boot fit

 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi All,

I just restarted skiing after three seasons of eating pies, drinking beer and living in warm climes! I wanted to probe the hive mind on boot fit and ankle problems, since I want to do some serious skiing before the big 4-0 next year. Some info:

1- I have a trashed right ankle. I broke two ligaments, it is full of arthrosis, small bone chips, displaced synovial fluid etc. Previous advice from a (good) surgeon 8 years ago was to leave well alone. I used to have a friendly doctor who would do a steroid injection into the joint before ski seasons. That helped!

2- ca. 2016, my free skiing was OK, and fairly symmetric:

rosolin_2016 from Bob bobby
https://vimeo.com/439986435

3- Last week in L2A, I was pretty much unable to ski symmetrically. For example, I would do a corridor of stubbies, and straddle every one on the right foot! The ski on that side was engaging early, causing me to lean in and really mess things up. Looking at my bare feet, I can see that the arch has basically collapsed on that foot. I eventually taped two cut up piste maps to the arch of the inner boot on that side. This made a huge difference.

4- However, looking at free skiing videos, I still have an increase in stance width when turning on that side. I am pretty sure this reflects weakness of the ankle. Our coach subsequently asked me to try skiing really one footed, resulting in a painful crack from that ankle when carving Shocked

free_ski from Bob bobby
https://vimeo.com/439990959

Any thoughts? I guess it is fairly normal for the body to deteriorate with age... I am currently skiing an old pair of Lange RS130 boots, with which I am very happy. I am considering going for a race plug ZA and trying sole canting. Would this help?

I am also curious about technique influence. In the 2016 video, although it looks fairly pretty, I was not really pressing on the edges hard enough, and hence not finishing turns. This tended to result in me blowing out of slaloms fairly quickly. I've been working on getting the hip forward, and skiing in a really 'stacked' position this year. Might this change bring out problems with e.g. the stance?

Finally, I'll need to start cycling etc again obviously to strengthen my ankles. Has anyone ever tried focused physio etc for this sort of problem?


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JamesHJ wrote:
I am considering going for a race plug ZA and trying sole canting. Would this help?

Maybe, depends on what you are trying to achieve. You can either make the boot match your existing alignment or try to modify your alignment to something else. What you did with the piste maps changed your alignment, planing the sole just makes the boot match what you are doing by default.

I modify my own alignment by putting strips of card in the shell taped to the baseboard on one side.

If you are thinking of getting narrower boots then it is worth working out how the position of your foot in the boot affects alignment. Some of the reduction in width of newest models is in the instep which can change how your foot settles in it. I had to get punches around the navicular bone in my latest boots to allow me to play with my alignment.

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I've been working on getting the hip forward, and skiing in a really 'stacked' position this year.

What do you mean by "getting the hip forward" ? For me, to be "stacked" requires keeping the pelvis square to the skis all the time, this feels like you are rotating it a lot relative to your upper body. You don't look to be separating at all in the second video, your whole body moves together.
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^Some good points there, and I'll note that my skiing technique terminology is pretty ropey Very Happy

The thing which I was always getting pulled up on back in 2016 was a tendency for the body to collapse forward in the turn. This seemed to correlate with the hip falling back. I spent a reasonable time last week doing (trying?) javelin turns and slow-mo ploughs to try to feel the correct hip position.

Apropos boots, I rather suspect that some combination of sole planing and adding stuff to the boot will be needed (can we call it shimming?). I've also got abnormally thin feet and plenty of room in the RS130, hence the thought of the ZA. The ultimate plan is to try masters racing as a family this winter snowHead
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I think your stance is too wide and there is not enough separation. Adjusting your weight fore- aft more during the turn would help with speed out of the turn and a more aggressive transition. Try to ski less within your comfort zone and closer to the point where you get high sided!
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Klamm Franzer wrote:
I think your stance is too wide and there is not enough separation. Adjusting your weight fore- aft more during the turn would help with speed out of the turn and a more aggressive transition. Try to ski less within your comfort zone and closer to the point where you get high sided!


What's knackered, black and blue, and gets laughed at by Italian ski kids?

Me! I'm pushing 90 kg and 40 years old. Pretty far out from my comfort zone having jumped back into gates after three/four seasons out snowHead
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@JamesHJ, Age isn't that much of a problem, long term injuries like your ankle can be. I remember chatting on a lift with another master racer who said that he had decided to switch from 150 flex boots to 130 flex ones as he had just reached 75.

You do know that you enter FFS masters races here, the calendar won't be published until at least November.
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Any tips for clubs in the Jura? Les Rousses is closest to us. Not being particularly gruntled with work right now, I'm also going to try to get a September camp in. Probably going to have to ditch the liquid bread and get fit too!
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My very unprofessional observations:

- I think a narrower stance should make it easier to angulate both legs by the same amount

- Letting the lower arm follow the lower ski round is fine in long turns, but not in short turns - but you are aware of this.

- A visit to a good Bootfitter to see if alignment can help

- See a good Physio/Osteo/Chiro, who understands the mechanics of skiing, who can look at suitable strengthening/mobility exercises.

- I think good tuition is also key...and I'm not qualified enough to know how best to handle your injury, so as to get the best from your skis.

There is a lot that looks fine to me, especially in the first video.
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Bootfitter. CEM (on this forum) and Andi McCann (trades as Alpine Mccannix) offer good bootfitting and alignment services, including sole planing. It may be possible to adjust your current setup, it may not.

My feet are not as screwed as yours (arthritis exacerbated by overpronation) but I did not get anywhere near symmetrically edging a ski until I had my canting sorted and my fore/aft balance corrected.

Can you run the skis flat or does one try and engage?
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A bit of mixed slalom stuff from last week. Pretty chuffed with the 'super slalom' part at the beginning, but of course screwed up the transition to full size poles. I could watch the (left foot) turn at 0:18 all day long too Cool

mixed from Bob bobby
https://vimeo.com/440132581
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gorilla wrote:
Bootfitter. CEM (on this forum) and Andi McCann (trades as Alpine Mccannix) offer good bootfitting and alignment services, including sole planing. It may be possible to adjust your current setup, it may not.

My feet are not as screwed as yours (arthritis exacerbated by overpronation) but I did not get anywhere near symmetrically edging a ski until I had my canting sorted and my fore/aft balance corrected.

Can you run the skis flat or does one try and engage?


Certainly used to be able to run them flat, the right was also sort of OK last week with a bunch of junk rammed down the boot! I wasted a lot of time early in my skiing 'career' with canting/ fore-aft issues and thought I had them sorted. I was therefore pretty surprised to see a re-emergence of problems after some time off. Maybe it is the extra 10 kg of weight crushing my feet flat Shocked
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