 Poster: A snowHead
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Hello,
I bought a pair of Head Supershape i Magnum model 2018-2018, second hand.
What I observed(compared to my very old ski) ia that the camber is almost gone. If I put together both skis, there is much less space between the skis(about 6mm) and also they don’t require almost any force to put them together campared to the old one where you have to do some force to press in order to put them together.
Is this normal for this type of ski? Does anyone have the same model?
Thanks
Adrian
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I have the same model but a few years older and they display the same in terms of camber you see.
But they ski well (I think as an unsophisticated recreational skier), dont yours?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I didn’t ski them yet, I just bought them today and I immediatley observed this very “soft” camber compared to old ski
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@Adrianc, what and how old is your old ski?
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Seems it’s not that old as i thought:
atomic nomad blackeye 2013-2014
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Are you trying to compare the camber against a ski from a different brand and model? the nomad Blackeye is a completely different ski so the camber will be different.
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@wardy89, that’s why I’m asking you guys, I don’t know how it should be
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@Adrianc, I don't think you can really judge anything by finger testing. Anyway, in my book, a ski is worn out when there are no edges left to sharpen. Or no base left to fill.
Just go enjoy them.
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@Adrianc, Its hard to say because it varies from ski to ski but it doesn't sound to dissimilar to my super shapes magnums.
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I’ve just measured the distance between them, it’s 7mm. Also, i noticed a line alongside of each ski alongside the bindings which looks similar to a crack, probably only paint crack
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@Adrianc, can't really comment until you post some pictures of it.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Trying but no succes from mobile until now
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You know it makes sense.
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Only managed like this
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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My son has a pair of Atomic Redsters which have far more camber than my Magnums. So apples and oranges I suppose. I’ll drag out my ancient Stocklis and check those. But like I say they still seem to go downhill.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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So it seems it’s different from one producer to another.
I was just bit scared when I read the below info:
How can you tell if skis are worn out?
“It takes years to wear out a ski. Most everybody updates their skis before they wear out, but the key to telling if a ski is worn out is camber collapse. Put a pair of skis together with the bases tip to tip, tail to tail, and the brake out of the way. Camber is the gap between the skis under the bindings”
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@Adrianc, How can you tell if skis are worn out?
There are many factors that play into ski wearing out, remaining edge, base condition, flex, conditions they have been skied in, other damage to name a phew. Some might say that after 100 days skis will start to loose their performance, others that if the ski has edges it has life left. The reality for most skiers that do a couple of weeks a year is they will most likely replace skis long before they are truly worn out.
I have put 400+ days on a set of skis and while they definitely got softer and didn't preform as they did when they were new they were still plenty skiable. Other people say that if it has edge left the ski has life in it but it really depends when the ski has been skied. My skis did their time in western Canada and it was rare to have hardpac, so we didn't sharpen out edges as much as you would if you skied on hard icy snow, our skis would wear out way before you ran out of edge.
The point i am making is there is no 1 way to tell, it depends.
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The point i am making is there is no 1 way to tell, it depends.
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Yes I agree with this.
Camber is partly a design decision and its not always true - even for piste skis - that higher performing skis have lots of camber.
So if a ski didn't start with a lot of camber then there isn't much information in the fact that it doesn't have much now.
I have had skis goes flappy,floppy and even bent before the edges were worn out but this doesn't tend to happen with woodcore skis (for example) which seem to go on and on.
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So ..at the end it seems it was just a False alert.
I’ve just went today to a local store and compared with a brand new “Magnum” 2020 version, and also with a “i speed” version. So surprise..they are all the same in terms of distance between the ski and force applied to get them together. Even the parallel “lines”under the bindings of each ski which looked like cracks or paint crack...it’s actually a metal insertion under each binding, i could see them clear on the new skis also. They gap is however shorter compared to other skis from other producer I looked at.
So it seems there are different types of camber used, requiring different force to put them together, depending on the producer and ski type.
I was scared by reading a post where someone said that the ski gap should be minimum 1inch(2,5cm) otherwise skis are wore and do not behave correctly.
Thank you guys for your thoughts i to this!
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@Adrianc, Camber is tailored to the individual skis depending on the materials used and the performance that the designers are after.
The whole measuring the gap is generally rubbish, I guess if you knew the original camber of the you might be able to measure it to compare, but even then i am not sure how useful that measurement would be. remember the length of the ski will also have an effect on the size of the cap. Also some skis are built with no camber (full rocker) or even reverse camber depending on what the ski is being used for.
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