 Poster: A snowHead
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May well be a CEM question...
Atomic Hawx Ultra 115 (I think W) - cannot get a Booster strap around rear shell and front liner as I think is intended -
https://boosterstrap.com/instructions/
because there is a bit of pretty soft plastic wrap-around inner shell sticking up too high and in the way at the front (pretty much as per boot in instruction picture, but a bit higher).
Tucking Booster under this is a no no, creates huge space under shell/buckle. Not enough room to mount Booster on rear shell and also round stock liner at front
So can I cut off/down (to a horizontal line well above buckle) this extra stepped-up bit to accommodate the Booster's correct fitting?
Any other suggestions? (Booster currently running over this soft shell bit but I'm not getting a tight enough liner /calf /cuff fit.)
Cheers.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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1. Why do you think you need “better” liner /calf /cuff fit?
2. Wouldn’t any shell cutting effectively reduce likely fit and soften flex?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Grizzler, I have the Hawx Prime 130 boots and use a booster strap. The booster strap is positioned so that its buckle is not sitting under the plastic at the front. I do up the booster strap first, then the boots. Works for me.
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@ulmerhutte, I do the cuff buckles up overtight, then the strap (Sallie Velcro with stretch) then I get the buckles where I want them.
Also works for me.
Those boots originally had a strap looking much like a booster with similar buckle which went in front of the cuff plastic.
Didn’t last too long, failed on a heli trip, so did a season using elasticated ski straps. They worked pretty well too.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Grizzler,
I think doing what you suggest is exactly what the Booster folks intend. I think you are referring to a bit of the cuff overlap that sits above the top buckle - I don't think getting rid of that has any impact on boot flex. ALso you will be substituting the firm stretch tied to the spine of the boot of the booster strap. FWIW, a booster strap was a big help on the one pair of boots I have that were too soft/short.
@under a new name, booster straps use a slightly different concept to standard straps - rather than being an additional closure of the overlap (standard straps), they tie the inner boot to the rigid (rear) spine of the boot with the flex being provided by the stiff elastic in the strap - that's why they need to sit on the inner boot not the shell.
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| 1. Why do you think you need “better” liner /calf /cuff fit? |
Errrr, coz I'm slopping around like mad inside 'em (and always have, no matter what boots and no matter what boot fitter has provided and fitted them), have bits of stick-on and poke-down foam hanging out all over the place (which does help), and just tightening up the outer buckles & outer straps ain't currently doing much except over-cranking the shells and causing all different kinds of pains all over the place; coz I don't exactly have super-padded (or 'wide' as women are often described as having) ankles, shins, calves or anything else which goes inside a ski boot, and there's otherwise room in the upper parts of the cuff for several parties. Nothing in my lower leg really touches the liner, but at least if I can both get and then maintain pressure/contact on the tongue fronts /Boosters, it's a major control bonus.
Worth a go, anyway. Anything that helps... 
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@jedster, yeah, I know the Booster marketing, and indicated fitting, not quite sure why it helps with the dynamics and also know they wouldn’t have fitted as directed on my last three pairs of boots. Struggling with the whole concept, frankly and I have girly swot ankles, all of which three pairs came with straps across the outside of the cuff...
@Grizzler, I do (while struggling, per above) sort of see what you mean, but in normal days skiing, I probably am experiencing the same thing ... it just doesn’t bother me at all.
IMHO, it’s control pressure inputs on the tongue of the boots that’s of primary importance with the important caveat that you do need good lateral support or your edging will be rubbish.
I seem to recall that being able to fit a couple of fingers down behind between calf and boot was normal. Of course, that may have been courtesy of “The Sunday Times, We Learned to Ski”, 1974 ...
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@jedster, yeah, I know the Booster marketing, and indicated fitting, not quite sure why it helps with the dynamics and also know they wouldn’t have fitted as directed on my last three pairs of boots. Struggling with the whole concept, frankly and I have girly swot ankles, all of which three pairs came with straps across the outside of the cuff...
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I've only used them on one pair of boots where they have really acted to effectively "increase the height of the cuff". They did that brilliantly and seem to provide a really nice smooth and tuneable flex. But I haven't felt the need to replace the "power straps" on other boots (my hunch is that they would be better but not so much to be worth the hassle).
Someone on hear (I guess CEM?) pointed out that powerstraps were originally designed to go UNDER the shell wrap and OVER the inner boot but ski boot companies liked the ability to put a visible brand on the strap so made them visible by putting them over the shell where they work* rather differently.
*I have to say that I don't think they actually do that much if you have your boots properly clipped!
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@jedster, ah, yes, now I recall that argument.
I found on my old Salo boots that they did work, best if set after overtightening the top buckle, setting the strap, then loosening the buckle so the strap was under considerable tension.
Haven’t worked out my new boots at all yet 
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