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Buying Advice (All Mountain Ski)

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Hi Guys, new here (admin please feel free to move if in the wrong place).

I'm currently looking at replacing my skis, and I'm looking for some advice from people who've skied any of the Dynastar Legend 96, Zag H-95 or Fischer Ranger 102FR. Budgets not an issue on these 3, and I've skied a 2012 Legend for 7 seasons now, but I've killed one of the bindings and they're a little short for how aggressive I ski now. Looking for general feeling as to what people would go for between these 3 (or if there is any stand out choices I've missed).

Bit of background, I'm 185cm (just shy of 6'1 in old money), ~95kg (200lbs) and looking at an all mountain ski. I try and escape the UK roughly 3 times a year, usually to the French alps or Pyrenees. I'm a pretty aggressive on-piste skier, who (conditions permitting in Europe) loves to spend some time in a deep powder field (usually lift accessed, sometimes I might take a walk). Looking for a ski that has good 50/50 performance, but primarily for Europe it has to like a piste.

Please go easy on me here Very Happy
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@ccfc_aaron, welcome to SH's. Is ccfc Coventry or Cardiff?

First off, the ski you are looking for (AM 50/50) is I would say the most asked about on here and the most bought ski. Hence there are lot of ski's to choose and a lot of opinions on what is good and what is not.

Second, what most people will say is try before you buy. The guy who runs SH's runs a ski test in the Autumn and many shops in resort will also try before you buy.

That said: Me, my son and daughter all currently ski Dynastar - Cham 97, Legend X84, Legend X96 respectively. And there are no complaints. So I would say a solid option. We ski as much lift served off piste as conditions allow. I like the reviews of the Zag I have to say, although I've never heard of Zag before. And the Fischer seems good too. You will be lucky to find someone who has skied even two of those to any degree mind about three.

If you've been skiing Legend's up until now that is pretty good argument for going for the same.

It's a good time to buy for sure. Where are you looking?
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When all is said and done has anyone skied a *bad* ski in recent years (NOTE not a good ski with a bad tune.....)
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Layne wrote:
@ccfc_aaron, welcome to SH's. Is ccfc Coventry or Cardiff?

If you've been skiing Legend's up until now that is pretty good argument for going for the same.

It's a good time to buy for sure. Where are you looking?


Hi Layne,

Unfortunately for my sins it's Coventry....

And I guessed I'd struggle, just wanted to see if there wear any strong opinions either way.

My 2012 Legend 94's have never let me down, they're just too short for me now and I've officially killed the binding on them, so I'm most tempted by this seasons X96. Having tied a Zag a few years ago (my friend had a set), I can vouch for them being excellent off-piste ski's in a wider width, but I've heard things about them de-lamming after a few years, and lets face it, getting a ski that heavily favours off piste isn't much use for a lot of the french alps at times Laughing

My minds pretty made up, I just wanted to see if there we're any horror stories, or better yet someone willing to sing praise about how good their skis are, never hurts to get some opinions.

I'm currently looking on EkoSport, I've had stuff off of them before, they're really quick and helpful over the old electronic-mail, and due to the current situation they're having a pretty aggressive sale, with another 10% off loads of the winter gear if anyone does want a look.

Cheers
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kitenski wrote:
When all is said and done has anyone skied a *bad* ski in recent years (NOTE not a good ski with a bad tune.....)
Perhaps it mostly that the match between the ski and skier which may be "bad", if you see what I mean.

By analogy, you probably can't buy a "bad" Sabatier knife, but if you try to peel an apple with a butter knife you may find it doesn't work that well.

Which is why most people would probably want to have a little play on any prospective purchase first.
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Hasn't Jon still got some bargain White Dots ?
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If you like skiing fast and dynamically on piste then I might consider something a bit punchier like volkl mantras or stockli stormrider 95 (budget permitting). Guess blizzard bonafides and nordica enforcers are in a similar category.

I'm not one to argue wider is better but I think you are right to go for mid-90s rather than anything narrower given your use and build.
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ccfc_aaron wrote:
Unfortunately for my sins it's Coventry....

Tough times mate, tough times Sad

ccfc_aaron wrote:
And I guessed I'd struggle, just wanted to see if there wear any strong opinions either way.

Yeah sure, just tempering expectations as it were.

ccfc_aaron wrote:
My 2012 Legend 94's have never let me down, they're just too short for me now and I've officially killed the binding on them, so I'm most tempted by this seasons X96.

Sounds a good low risk purchase.

ccfc_aaron wrote:
Having tied a Zag a few years ago (my friend had a set), I can vouch for them being excellent off-piste ski's in a wider width, but I've heard things about them de-lamming after a few years

Always a bit of a put off if you hear a bad report or two.

ccfc_aaron wrote:
I'm currently looking on EkoSport, I've had stuff off of them before, they're really quick and helpful over the old electronic-mail, and due to the current situation they're having a pretty aggressive sale, with another 10% off loads of the winter gear if anyone does want a look.

I've used both ekosport and glisshop. Found them hard to beat to be honest. Good luck with your purchase.

Just one other thing. Worth getting a bit better binding than the basic I reckon. I've had binding problems/failings in the past. I'm slightly taller/heavier but also fairly aggressive skier. You generally get what you pay for with bindings. Eko and Gliss usually have various options.
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bit of an understatement there I think Layne
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Similar size to you went for Atomic Vantage 90 Ti , great in the crud as well.
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I'm a similar weight, height and skier type and ski the Legend 96 in a 186cm with a Salomon Z12 binding. I really like them, good off piste and in the chop and crud, and OK on piste. If you want better piste performance then i'd look at the heavier skis, Matra, Bonafide, Enforcers - they aren't rubbish on the piste but they are no GS screamer either.
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bit of an understatement there I think Layne

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@philwig,

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most people would probably want to have a little play on any prospective purchase first


I'd say.

I'd (and have) buy race skis without testing. I wouldn't want to do the same with my daily skis. We tried various things a couple of years ago and while they were all fine, we both settled on different things for different reasons.
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Depends if you want to buy last seasons model cheap, but if you are looking at Dynastar then next seasons M-Pro 99 looks like a great update of the Legend 96. Titanal layer should make it grip better on piste and less taper should make it smoother off piste.
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philwig wrote:
kitenski wrote:
When all is said and done has anyone skied a *bad* ski in recent years (NOTE not a good ski with a bad tune.....)
Perhaps it mostly that the match between the ski and skier which may be "bad", if you see what I mean.

By analogy, you probably can't buy a "bad" Sabatier knife, but if you try to peel an apple with a butter knife you may find it doesn't work that well.


Or for a slightly less stabbie analogy, you probably can't buy a bad pair of core brand ski boots. You can buy a pair that don't fit, or you just don't feel connected with though.

philwig wrote:
Which is why most people would probably want to have a little play on any prospective purchase first.


Cough, Oktobertest, cough. Not ideal for testing all mountain/off piste skis, but enough for me to work out I really got on with the Legend X96s - and really didn't get on with the Faction - Prodigy 2.0s!
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... I'd (and have) buy race skis without testing. I wouldn't want to do the same with my daily skis. We tried various things a couple of years ago and while they were all fine, we both settled on different things for different reasons.
<laughs> I also buy race boards without testing.... I avoided being too prescriptive for that reason.

Race snowboards cover a very narrow range of designs, and if you know the specification/ manufacturer/ purpose then
dialling in your weight is accurate enough in my experience. Powder boards are a completely different thing though - I'm
extremely picky about those. I often ride all Burton's powder boards, and adjacent models (designed by the same guy...)
are often chalk and cheese.
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Mjit wrote:
philwig wrote:
kitenski wrote:
When all is said and done has anyone skied a *bad* ski in recent years (NOTE not a good ski with a bad tune.....)
Perhaps it mostly that the match between the ski and skier which may be "bad", if you see what I mean.

By analogy, you probably can't buy a "bad" Sabatier knife, but if you try to peel an apple with a butter knife you may find it doesn't work that well.


Or for a slightly less stabbie analogy, you probably can't buy a bad pair of core brand ski boots. You can buy a pair that don't fit, or you just don't feel connected with though.


That's kind of my point, whilst I'd never buy boots without going to a boot fitter I'm pretty sure if you know what works for you ski wise, understand some basics about the dimensions of a ski, what affect rocker, sidecut etc has, and combined with scouring reviews on the internet you can *PROBABLY* snap up a bargain and be happy?

I've put 2 pairs of wider skis and 1 punter GS set of skis at great prices out of season without skiing any of them and been delighted with all purchases.
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I bought Dynastar Legend X96 in last spring’s sales & they are as good as anticipated. Sadly I had to miss the main reason for getting them this season but I am booked and eagerly anticipating next...

If you liked the Cham you will like the Legend.
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