 Poster: A snowHead
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Is there boots on the market that tick both boxes 90% piste 10% touring, does this exsit? The Nordica strider 120 (same bottom half and flex as my piste boot which was a good fit rite out of the box) has caught my attention. I was eyeing shift bindings quiver killered with my skis but starting to question this and looking at a frame binding with grip walk compatibility.
PS if i do go down a new boot route i will be visiting a proper boot fitter.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@WASHOUT, ive had the strider since march last year , great all-round fit straight out of box for me too , not bad ROM for touring , work really well combined with the shift , had two weeks out in canada before xmas on the shifts and I must say they are really soo much better than any frame binding I've skied ,but would also go well with a marker baron style binding ,
on piste the Nordica boots are very capable and the 120 flex is pretty close to the mark
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@WASHOUT, plenty of options for you I think - Tecnica Cochise, K2 Pinnacle, Lange Freetour XT spring to mind if you are looking for an alpine boot with walk mode (+/- tech inserts). Add the Atomic Hawx XTD, Head Nexo if you are after a lighter boot with a little more emphasis on the up. Probably many others too. Really depends on what fits your foot though, just like a normal alpine boot.
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Much appreciated, it's good to get direct feedback rather rely on sales patter. I was out in whistler in December, didn't have the best of snow but was still good.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@WASHOUT, I got my boots fitted at sure foot in whistler , also tried Salomon qst 120 and the technica Cochise , think the lange and k2 might be a bit narrow if the Nordica is a good fit for you ,
ps. I got lucky with snow arrived just as this never-ending storm cycle began in whistler
good luck with the search 
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It of course depends upon your foot shape - but I changed to the Tecnica Zero G Guide Pro last season and I've been very, very pleased with both the downhill performance (I have the Salomon Shift bindings) and the uphill - for largely lift served uplift followed by a couple of hours skinning. I seem to end up about 70% piste and 30% touring. I had Marker Duke frame bindings previously and far prefer the shifts due to lighter weight and a better toe pivot point.
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I went for the Salomon Quest Max 130, the last is 98mm based on their piste race boot, it's a three buckle and fairly heavy but fine for sub 1000m vert tours (2- 3 hrs uphill) with frame bindings, but skis amazingly off piste and on piste with fatter skis. You can heat the shell and increase width to 104mm if needed.
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To add to the armchair fit theme, the Nordica is like a bucket on me whereas the Atomic Hawx fits beautifully (v narrow heels/ankles, and high instep). The Hawx skis pretty much like a standard alpine boot, based on 3 days on sketchy man-made. So I reckon if you find one of these more alpine AT boots it'll do your "one boot quiver" job nicely.
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Much appreciated, I have been caught out with marketing snake oil from the skiing industry before and wanted to have a 2nd opinion on this. I haven't ruled out frame bindings yet as my current boots are not long broken in and I already see new barons below £180 and I am happy to DIY quiver killer myself use them for a year or two then upgrade when due new boots....
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There's a reason Barons are £180 and that's 'cause they suck versus the latest generation of freeride touring tech bindings - ie, too heavy, greater stack height, lifting the weight of the heel/frame every stride, bitches to click in to (it's a Griffon/Jester heel which runs a lot of forward pressure) etc etc. If you're gonna go with a frame binding then go with an F12 Tour EPF.
And if you're looking to mount the binding on existing skis then you need to consider mounting location clashes as that has more significance on the binding options available to you than antything else.
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Yup, Kooky has the F12s from spyderjon on her Whitedots, they are definitely lighter than the Guardian/Tracker frames we have on the the all mountain skis. Saying that though, I have been skiing the Trackers on two skis for about 6 years now and although heavy they have been bombproof. But if one breaks I'll be switching to the Salomon Shifts.
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Thu 24-01-19 8:54; edited 2 times in total
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I got the Lange free tour and rate them.
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Cheers for that john. I always thought it was the other way around, stay clear of the f12,s. I always vowed I would not buy another pair of markers (griffon) after switching to vist bindings.
I will check holes before purchase and if any problems I will get them down to you for a 2nd opinon.
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You know it makes sense.
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@WASHOUT, i’d get the Stryder 130’s to go with the Shifts if looking for new Freeride boots. Got the K2 Pinnacle 130’s a couple of years back and had them stretched to work but Nordica seems to fit me out of the box.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro - Easily the best touring boot that skis well. 130 super progressive flex, 1350g weight each, 99 last - what’s not to like? Will be adding a pair to my Cochise 130s as soon as they drop down in price a touch...
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Poster: A snowHead
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Technica Cochise are excellent if they suit you. I also hear good things about the Zero G. Lots of options these days though, as mentioned above. Go to a good boot fitter, fit is far more important than brand.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I also have the Lange free tour, from what I understood was that I could use them with alpine bindings as was just starting to get in to Sidecountry... going to Japan very soon etc and advised to bring boots with a walk mode, however after buying noticed a warning sticker on the user guide that “the soles are compatible with alpine bindings but not not in compliance with iso 5355”
In plain English what does that mean.?
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I have some Technica Cochise 130.
Stiff shoes : the 130 are there ! For narrow and thin feet.
I love them although the inner shoe is a bit thin and not very warm.
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Dalbello Lupo 130 or 120 are other options. I have the 120 which I am very happy with for most pistes, off piste and day tours driving big skis. I don't particularly value a really stiff boot but I did find I went back to some old alpine boots for the hard piste conditions we had at NY. I might have found the 130 meant I didn't bother.
That said, I don't think any of these type of boots are ideal for big ascent days, hut to hut or ski mountaineering. I actually think a one boot quiver is at least as compromised as a one ski quiver if you are trying to do everything from ski mountaineering to carving slalom turns on hard pistes.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I also have the Lange free tour, from what I understood was that I could use them with alpine bindings as was just starting to get in to Sidecountry... going to Japan very soon etc and advised to bring boots with a walk mode, however after buying noticed a warning sticker on the user guide that “the soles are compatible with alpine bindings but not not in compliance with iso 5355”
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ISO 5355 requires that heel and toe lugs do not contain tech inserts. What the weaselly sticker means is that the boot will fit into an alpine binding but does not meet the same technical standard as a true alpine boot without tech inserts.
It is not clear to me that the presence of tech inserts actually impede release in any way from an alpine binding but I have chosen only to run my Langes with bindings that are MNC compatible thereby avoiding technical noncompliance with the standards. I am not sure whether that actually achieves anything but on the other hand it cost me nothing to do. Note also that the plastic on the Langes is quite soft and you may get some chew from alpine heelpieces. That said, they ski very, very well.
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That said, I don't think any of these type of boots are ideal for big ascent days, hut to hut or ski mountaineering. I actually think a one boot quiver is at least as compromised as a one ski quiver if you are trying to do everything from ski mountaineering to carving slalom turns on hard pistes. |
No way you can freeride and skimo on one boot. 3 is ideal - Alpine, freeride (with tech inserts), super light for skimo. Get away with 2 if you find a freeride boot that you’re good with in all conditions
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@BobinCH, That's pretty much what I have although it is a lighter tour/freeride boot, an all round freeride/tour boot for short skins up or off piste and a proper race piste boot.
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One step at a time. Freeride/touring boots next!
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Dare I mention a one quiver tech tele boot for all occasions
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I have just sent Lange the same question re the sticker “the soles are compatible with alpine bindings but not not in compliance with iso 5355” as their website Q& A is even more confusing..I may be using rental skis in Japan and swapping from time to time so keen to know exactly what they mean
http://www.lange-boots.com/product/xt-free-130
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Roxa RX3?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| jedster wrote: |
That said, I don't think any of these type of boots are ideal for big ascent days, hut to hut or ski mountaineering. I actually think a one boot quiver is at least as compromised as a one ski quiver if you are trying to do everything from ski mountaineering to carving slalom turns on hard pistes. |
No way you can freeride and skimo on one boot. 3 is ideal - Alpine, freeride (with tech inserts), super light for skimo. Get away with 2 if you find a freeride boot that you’re good with in all conditions |
two for me , some very good free ride boots out there now , my Nordica striders touring free ride boots (1.4kg ) have a very alpine feel on the down , and my Fischer travers boots (1kg ) work very well in all soft snow conditions , but wouldn't ski them on piste or hard snow by choice except for the final run home
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no-one's mentioned Scarpa Maestrale.... lighter than the Pinnacles, replaceable sole units for full AT compatability if you need it, and a whiff of Chris Davenport to boot!
one thing that on-one really mentions when recommending boots is the skiers weight.... you can be a fly half, or a prop - same foot size and height, but 5stone or more difference in weight - do you _really_ need 130 stiffness.... and is one makes 130 really different to anothers 110....
ymmv!
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