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Hi all

Managed to snap my bindings on the last day of my last trip, at the end of the season (fortunately noticed just before they caused me a massive issue). They were K2 Cinch and I really liked them for ease of loading, but it seems to be quite hard to replace them at the min.

By coincidence, my boots were also due to be replaced (getting well worn) and I've got odd shaped feet and have always found Thirty Twos fitted my feet better than others.

I know I've got to go and try them etc, so won't be buying cold online, but wondered if any of you had used Burton Step Ons much and how you found them? I'm really finicky and am often tightening the ratchet parts of the bindings and wondered if they felt like a responsive fit? Also, my mind tells me they'd be really hard to get back on if you had to click back in in thicker stuff, so is that an issue, or is it just me imagining something that isn't a problem?

For reference, I normally spend about 3 weeks on snow per season, have been boarding for about 25 years and ride a Superpig mainly (which I love).

Cheers, PPF snowHead
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porkpiefox wrote:
... I'm really finicky and am often tightening the ratchet parts of the bindings and wondered if they felt like a responsive fit? Also, my mind tells me they'd be really hard to get back on if you had to click back in in thicker stuff, so is that an issue, or is it just me imagining something that isn't a problem ...
My mates with them tell me they're more responsive - but that may or may not be what everyone wants. I ride heli powder regularly with those guys and no one ever has a problem. That said, the same's pretty much true with traditional bindings; it's just a bit of technique. It's extremely rare to take a binding off mid-run, but I don't think it's any different from what I've seen in deep snow whatever you're using.

I'd definitely try some out though - not everyone likes them.
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philwig wrote:
porkpiefox wrote:
... I'm really finicky and am often tightening the ratchet parts of the bindings and wondered if they felt like a responsive fit? Also, my mind tells me they'd be really hard to get back on if you had to click back in in thicker stuff, so is that an issue, or is it just me imagining something that isn't a problem ...
My mates with them tell me they're more responsive - but that may or may not be what everyone wants. I ride heli powder regularly with those guys and no one ever has a problem. That said, the same's pretty much true with traditional bindings; it's just a bit of technique. It's extremely rare to take a binding off mid-run, but I don't think it's any different from what I've seen in deep snow whatever you're using.

I'd definitely try some out though - not everyone likes them.


Great thanks, that's pretty much what I was hoping to hear and yes, I always try stuff, but I'll only get a chance in a fridge and I was looking for some real world feedback, so that's much appreciated.
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@porkpiefox, Not tired them personally - bought all new boots and bindings not too long before Burton released the Step-on, but everyone I know who has used them now swears by them. I would say that they do seem to have a good resale market from what I've seen on E-Bay etc so if you do decide to go for them but don't get on with them, I doubt you'll be out of pocket for very long.
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Richard_Sideways wrote:
@porkpiefox, Not tired them personally - bought all new boots and bindings not too long before Burton released the Step-on, but everyone I know who has used them now swears by them. I would say that they do seem to have a good resale market from what I've seen on E-Bay etc so if you do decide to go for them but don't get on with them, I doubt you'll be out of pocket for very long.


Great thanks. It feels like a big change to the norm, so it's good to hear how others have found them.
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@porkpiefox, contact K2, they sent me repair pieces FOC. If no joy send me a PM, pretty sure I have some mint cinch's in storage I might be persuaded to flog.
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I've just switched to modded dynafit TLT6 AT boots and spark dyno DH bindings, on a 169W solution Very Happy Enjoying the convenience of step on and the weird looks I get are amusing. The whole setup goes quick and can definitely hold a high speed carve.
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K2 cinch are far from responsive bindings. To much moving parts and power input is not direct. Step-ons will be miles better in responsiveness.
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@kosmoz, no worse than any strap binding. It's boot fit and construction that governs input response and control . . . and ALL of that is secondary to skills and fitness. You have to rememberbthat it all started on grip tape and a nose rope. Madeye-Smiley
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The OP was specifically concerned with responsiveness.

In my experience it's the combination of boot & binding together which is the important thing.
Something to consider if switching from a floppy to less floppy binding.
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I bought a pair of Step on bindings & Swath boots (2019 edition) just before COVID curtailed everything, so haven't ridden as much as I would like, but have managed 4 trips with them now.

Previously I had a pair of Burton Moto's with Salomon Pact Bindings and a Salomon Pulse board, but for some reason I really struggled with that setup, I sold all my gear and rented for a season or two then moved onto the Step on's with a Burton Ripcord and my riding has improved dramatically (admittedly its not a like for like comparison as our daughter us now bigger and wants to spend every last minute on the slopes so we spend vastly more time than before).

However, what I would say is that although the Swath is the softest boot available in the Step On lineup (or at least was in 2019), my setup is so much more responsive than any other setup I've tried (which admittedly isn't many), however its far from stiff and unforgiving.

The boots themselves are fine and comfortable, however where the toe cleats are it can feel a bit squashed at times, so thats something to bear in mind (as you won't be able to tell this when trying on in the shop). I'm not sure if the newer boots are different or not, as I know the actual bindings have been updated since (its also worth noting that the 'wide' fit boots simply have a wider inner, the actual shell is the same).

In terms of convenience, they are less faffy, but still a bit faffy, although I suspect over time it becomes more seamless. I find unstrapping oddly sometimes feels tricky, especially at the start of the week as you sort of need to step forward as you step out and it takes a while to get the motion right. Additionally strapping in (or stepping on rather) is fine on a flat, but if there is even a bit of an incline it can be a bit tricky, at least until you get the hang of stepping on whilst on the move (which frankly I have not yet perfected).

So overall, I'm pretty happy with the setup, although I'd be slightly wary as you mention you have odd shaped feet and that may (or may not) present an issue with the cleats (that you simply wouldn't be able to notice without riding for a few hours).
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I've had step ons since 2020 so admittedly haven't been able to use them a huge amount with the pandemic but I've generally enjoyed using them.

They're great when getting off a lift especially if you have skier friends but I agree with @vjmehra, that getting out of them can be a pain with how you have to twist your foot. I do miss just being able to quickly unstrap and take your foot out while coasting towards a lift, I'm sure it is possible to do it while moving but I haven't managed to do it yet.

In terms of responsiveness they're really good but you're completely locked in and I do miss some of the lateral flex you get with strap bindings. I'm really considering getting some Nidecker Supermatics instead for next season as they look like a really good balance between the convenience of step ons and the functionality of straps.
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infinite_lemons wrote:
I've had step ons since 2020 so admittedly haven't been able to use them a huge amount with the pandemic but I've generally enjoyed using them.

They're great when getting off a lift especially if you have skier friends but I agree with @vjmehra, that getting out of them can be a pain with how you have to twist your foot. I do miss just being able to quickly unstrap and take your foot out while coasting towards a lift, I'm sure it is possible to do it while moving but I haven't managed to do it yet.

In terms of responsiveness they're really good but you're completely locked in and I do miss some of the lateral flex you get with strap bindings. I'm really considering getting some Nidecker Supermatics instead for next season as they look like a really good balance between the convenience of step ons and the functionality of straps.


Thanks all for the comments. I've been too busy with work to have had much of a chance to look yet, so will spend a bit of time now that I've got more of a chance.

I also found the Supermatics over the weekend, so they're intriguing me at the min.
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There’s also clew bindings.

No experience of them but got chatting to a guy on the lift last week who was using them and said he liked them. The back half of the binding stays attached to your boot and then just step on the base and the whole lot clamps together. No special boots needed.
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strapping on regular bindings is not hard. Especially to an advanced, with better rachets. Entry level bindings are harder to manuevre in the strap to a rached, more expensive ones are easy. There is also Flow bindings, which are even easier and response is excellent, footprint is reduced, this is a go to bindings for hardboot carvers, when they are riding in softboots. IF you are not fit enough, that you struggle strapping in a traditional bindings, then riding is very dangerous for you, since you are unfit, overweight, you struggle for ballance and are dangerous for yourself and everyone around you on the slope.
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remember seeing Clew bounced around a while back - do they actually have a product now - back then it was a website, a 3D printed mockup and a fever dream
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Richard_Sideways wrote:
remember seeing Clew bounced around a while back - do they actually have a product now - back then it was a website, a 3D printed mockup and a fever dream


I saw a guy using them. Interesting idea. Looked quite clever from a brief look on a lift, although I would be concerned about wearing out the heel cup end by walking around on it.

A quick google shows a couple of retailers in the Uk.

I’m loving riding hard boots on spark dynos. Just ordered a pair of phantom slippers, going all in on it Happy
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hang11 wrote:
... I’m loving riding hard boots on spark dynos. Just ordered a pair of phantom slippers, going all in on it Happy
Welcome to the real dark side wink
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philwig wrote:
hang11 wrote:
... I’m loving riding hard boots on spark dynos. Just ordered a pair of phantom slippers, going all in on it Happy
Welcome to the real dark side wink


Been a revelation for the uphill, but considering I'm on home moulded 35 quid 4th hand AT boots with a lot of holes drilled in them, I'm actually really surprised by how well the setup rides, even inbounds on groomers. The step on thing is a bit of an unexpected benefit too.

Can't wait to get on the phantoms but not sure they will make it from murica and through customs before the end of our pretty average season here.

I'm supposed to be up on a heli tomorrow and a couple days next week, and seriously thinking about fruit booting for at least a day in some proper terrain, to see how it all goes.
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The Burton step ins are a revelation for me. Maybe because i often board with skiers but it takes away so much of the stress and despite what people say i do believe strapping into normal bindings is a pain.

i love being able to get off a chair lift and just step in while moving and just head straight off.

also I have had no issues getting out of them. Very similar to getting off cycling pedals in that all you do is twist and lift.

I will definitely never go back to strap in bindings.
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Bit late coming to this discussion, but my tuppence would be that if ThirtyTwos suit your feet shape, then Burton boots might not. Would I be right in my assumption that you have wide feet and narrow ankles? Puzzled

If you do want to give the Step Ons, or other stuff a go, I'd recommend getting along to Big Bang Snowboard Show at Tamworth Snowdome on Saturday 29th October.

Pretty sure Burton had Step Ons there last year to test and Thirty Two were definitely represented too.
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