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Getting conflicting advice from various people so your opinions please. 11.8m(?) radius piste carver skis about 74 waist or slightly longer twin rocker AMs 85 waist 14m radius? Both lightweight and medium stiff. The latter skid and pivot better, the former edge better/easier. I like both in their own ways and terrains but can only carry 1 set with me.
Technically shouldn't make much of a difference to a good skier, I know...
Thanks.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Narrow, not wide.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Pivot over carve IMV which obviously contradicts rob's.
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@Grizzler, narrow and short.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Learn to pivot and skid better on the narrower skis....
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I'd take pivot and skid over carve any day. 85mm is not wide. Not sure the twin rocker will do you any favours if you "lose it" but that's not very likely in a dome.
To some extent it depends what technique they're trying to teach you. You could pretty much ski any line you like in a dome on a ski you're comfortable with and completely ignore the bumps (because they're shallow with little gradient) but whilst it's a valid technique it wouldn't make for much of a bumps course.
If they're trying to teach you to ski between/around the bumps (the rut line) than a narrower ski is better but I doubt they will. It's too easy to "miss a turn" for mortal skiers and blow out (think missing a gate for a slalom skier).
The most pragmatic technique is to pivot on top or around the first bump and use the upslope of the next as a brake before pivoting again. For me, this is (much!) easier on a wider ski but I know not everyone will agree.
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I've done courses on 191cm x 117mm and 177 x 77 and 165 x 60. it doesn't make a great deal of difference.
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and completely ignore the bumps
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Titter.
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If they're trying to teach you to ski ... the rut line ... but I doubt they will.
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Hmmm, tend to disagree. Skiing the rut line is mostly just a more aggressive way to ski linked bumps anyway, so if you are being taught how to "correctly" turn on a bump, you can just progress into it. That said, I would tend to agree that rutlining the fall line is unlikely to be the immediate objective 
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If they're trying to teach you to ski ... the rut line ... but I doubt they will.
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Hmmm, tend to disagree. Skiing the rut line is mostly just a more aggressive way to ski linked bumps anyway, so if you are being taught how to "correctly" turn on a bump, you can just progress into it. That said, I would tend to agree that rutlining the fall line is unlikely to be the immediate objective |
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Remember it's indoors, so not too steep. Most groups will end up in the rutline.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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[quote="Mosha Marc"]
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If they're trying to teach you to ski ... the rut line ... but I doubt they will.
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Hmmm, tend to disagree. Skiing the rut line is mostly just a more aggressive way to ski linked bumps anyway, so if you are being taught how to "correctly" turn on a bump, you can just progress into it. That said, I would tend to agree that rutlining the fall line is unlikely to be the immediate objective |
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Remember it's indoors, so not too steep. Most groups will end up in the rutline. |
rutline skiing indoors gets super easy, it ends up being wide and not that steep. More fun going over the tops with the odd rut line for ego boosting!!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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So that's me no further forward, then  Thanks all.
My main wish is to learn to ski the rutline, aggressively if I can: but last time that I tried, it all got embarrassingly messy - hence the course. Having said that, I also want to learn other approaches to moguls too.
I've watched some good indoor mogul skiers, and it seems to require a lot of repeated fast and agile direction changes. I've certainly seen people do this on Head Magnums, Rossi Hero Elite STs and Atomic Cloud 9s, amongst others, but never on anything much wider or rockered (which is not anything but a comment on who was there that day).
The indoor moguls which I last encountered were small, but very close together - so I think on balance I'll take the narrower piste skis. Nothing like making it harder for me if they don't pivot so well but need to (I think they will, just never really tried them in the kind of conditions where I use the others like that), and they certainly edge easier and are much quicker and more responsive, which it instinctively feels that I'll need. I could be wrong...
I'll let you know.
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@Grizzler, suck it up  and take the skis you'll mostly be on when in the mountains, you ain't going to be "nipping" back to change skis to ski moguls on a holiday I take it!!
I'd agree with narrower, they will pivot just fine if you get your weight correctly distributed. I'd expect the course to do plenty of old skool "french back bottom wiggling" skiing outside of the bumps!
In my experience, once you have the basics, you need time, time and more time in the bumps rather than different skis. Most resorts seem to flatten off bump runs overnight nowadays so you have to actually seek them out, otherwise you could easily have a holiday week and ski no bumps. I made a big improvement in my bump skiing (from failing L2 to passing) by skiing indoor bumps every month over summer.
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You know it makes sense.
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Most groups will end up in the rutline
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Deliberately? or by accident?
@Grizzler, The required pivoting is done on the top of the bump with very little ski to snow contact, so the actual "perceived pivotability" of the skis are of much less significance.
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time, time and more time
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This
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I'd say that the only think that really makes a material difference is VERY stiff skis which can be a bit of a handful if you are not in perfect control in the bumps.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| b]. ...take the skis you'll mostly be on when in the mountains, you ain't going to be "nipping" back to change skis to ski moguls on a holiday I take it!! |
In the UK I might well nip back to the car and change skis, yes. Not perhaps proper moguls, I'll grant you. When overseas then I'd have 2 sets with me. Which ones do I choose for any given day or conditions? Either set, potentially, depending on conditions. (Increase dilemma and choice as quiver, size of car boot and luggage costs allow...)
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| b] I'd expect the course to do plenty of ... "french back bottom wiggling" |
I look forward to this with great excitement
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Yep .. stop all the prevaricating and take the skis you ski on .... 
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