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Ellie Soutter sad news

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Apparently she has passed away today on her 18th birthday. Terrible news!
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Anyone know what actually happened? BBC says she was recently training abroad but passed away in the UK. Maybe injured whilst training and flown home for treatment? Very sad
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Bennisboy wrote:
Maybe injured whilst training and flown home for treatment?



A lot of people will know what happened but they've chosen not to communicate about the cause. We should respect that.

I don't know if the information released with the press release is related to the cause of death or for some of her young fans who may be hit hard by the news. I'll let you google that.
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Very sad that a young talent has been taken so early. Thoughts must go to her family and friends. Crying or Very sad
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I didn't know of her other than seen her name in dispatches as a promising youngster. I would like to know the cause of death, wondering if it's performance/training related. I can't help thinking of Nelson Pratt though. I've googled around, but I don't see anything related to cause of death. My thoughts are with her family and friends - parents should not outlive their children.
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@iainm, it doesn't seem to be training related. Very sad
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Incredibly sad.
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Absolutely heartbreaking.
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Shocking Crying or Very sad
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Too young. Too much ahead of her.
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Maybe an undiagnosed heart defect. Both of my stepkids had pacemakers fitted in their teens. https://www.c-r-y.org.uk/

The other possibility is too sad to discuss here.
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As news filters out I think speculation isn’t appropriate, sad times for all concerned and a loss to the sport.
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Hard to understand but her poor father must de completely devastated Sad
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/ellie-soutter-killed-herself-remote-12992146 Sad
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Tragic news and thoughts with family, friends and close teammates. RIP.
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So sad
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Terribly sad news.
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It does appear to be publicly confirmed that she took her own life somehow, for reasons unknown, on her 18th birthday, out in the French Alps. Obviously a terrible, horrible thing for all who knew and cared for her, and a loss to the GB team and the boarding community.
Poor girl Sad Even in my darkest moments I don't think I could imagine the place she could have been in.
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Not sure what to say other than it is always possible to talk to someone.
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What a sad story. There are demons you can't see.
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Sad We shouldn't speculate about this.
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@pam w, its not speculation. Her family announced it
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The family of Ellie have set up a fundraising campaign in her name to help other young snowsports athletes with the cost of training. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-sports/45006082 . The fundraising page is at https://www.gofundme.com/riding2win
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Sad We shouldn't speculate about this.


Why shouldnt we?

A new story on BBC & seems its all about missing a flight & GB training.
So what was the personal consequences from missing that? Losing funding? or being replaced?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-45023187
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What a waste, is all I can say. Sad
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Almost 10 years since Romain Maitre died in what seem like similar circumstances.
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I heard on the radio that her father was suggesting there should be more support in place for young athletes dealing with the stresses of being expected to succeed.

I think there is a lot of stress on all young people to 'succeed'. They're pushed through exam-orientated schooling from the age of 5. There are a lot of opportunities for young people, but then with that comes expectation. I think I was told so many times by my parents, school, clubs etc; that opportunities had been 'wasted' when I decided I wanted to do something else - and I should feel bad for that. And I wasn't even particularly good at anything. I can only imagine that for somebody with so much success, and so many opportunities from that... that the pressure and expectation was proportionately higher.

It took me until I was 28 to realise that I didn't need to impress anybody to justify my existence and that doing something which made me happy and let me live the way I wanted to was the most important thing. I don't want to tell anyone how to parent, mentor or inspire... but I do think that sometimes (if not all the time) "are you actually happy and content?" needs to take priority over "are you being as successful as you could be and taking all the opportunities available?". I think it is sadly too easy on reflection how somebody with so much pressure and expectation to take opportunities and find success could feel backed into a corner where they're in too deep to just walk away or take time out. As an 18 year old ski champion, one can only imagine how hard it might feel to go to your parents and say "look I am struggling and I need a break" or "I want to do something else with my life" when so much time, effort and money has been invested in you already. People twice and thrice her age struggle to have that conversation with their employers and families when times are hard.

I don't want to draw any conclusions about who why or what. But it has to serve a reminder to us all that anyone can struggle even when they appear on the surface to be smiling, full of energy and succeeding in their life.

Somebody has already posted a good link to Samaritans, I hope it is not out of place to post a link to Mental Health First Aid ( https://mhfaengland.org/ ). There is a legal expectation to have first aiders at work that might save a life with CPR or stopping the bleeding. But society also needs people at work who can spot the signs of mental health issues in their friends and colleagues. Knowing how to spot those symptoms, and how to apply the appropriate "mental health first aid" could save a life too. Have a look at the course and see if your employer might get you on it.
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Thanks for sharing @dp.

This is so heart wrenchingly sad. I hope that events and circumstances will be properly investigated and lead to changes being made to better help and support young people being groomed for greatness. It must be a very lonely place to be, especially at such a young age.
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My daughter is in a bad place right now. She has had two attempts at taking her own life, one was serious. She will be 18 in a few days and we are all struggling. The hand over from CYPS (children young person service) to adult is so poor. She is left in a wilderness of more medication and less time in her now bi monthly appointments.
I personally find it so hard to think that we have brought up such an unhappy person, all we ever wanted was for her to be happy. She seems to go back and forth, some nights she is great fun, the next a demon gets her and she falls down a pit of despair.
I can only imagine how Ellie's parents and surrounding people must feel right now and with fear of sounding selfish beyond belief, I hope never get to feel that way. I am sorry to offload.
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@harrim51, so sorry to hear that and no need to apologise, it can't be easy to talk about. I've worked in CAMHS and currently work in adult services, so I have some idea of how difficult it can be, although I can't imagine how it actually feels to be in your position. Wishing the best for you and your daughter.
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@harrim51, so sorry. I do hope that she can be effectively treated. Mental health services in the UK are lamentably inadequate.
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@Hurtle, + about a million to both of your statements.

Best wishes and positive vibes to you all @harrim51.
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@dp, thank you for your post. It summed up many of my own feelings about life and achievements.

@harrim51, best wishes to you, your daughter and the rest of your family. Hopefully things will improve with time.
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@Rabbie, agreed - @dp, Thank you
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@harrim51, so sorry. I do hope that she can be effectively treated. Mental health services in the UK are lamentably inadequate.

That's an easy assertion to make and indeed it seems to be de rigeur to say we should do more about mental health. But I'm not sure it's that easy. I have a nephew with mental health issues and one of the things that's really hard to discern is what is down to his personality and what is down to his illness. He had one episode where he barracaded himself in his apartment for 3-4 weeks. Wouldn't speak to anyone, except a social worker. But he was eating and not harming himself as far as anyone could tell. But even when he's good he lives life in a way that can be a questionable i.e., he'll fly to the Philipines to meet some women he get to know on the internet. I am not surprised at any thing he does including (and I genuinely hope this doesn't happen) trying to take his own life.

I think mental health is such a new thing in terms of discovery and treatment.... and it's hard to progress as quickly as we'd like. Modern life, I think, has both plusses and minuses.
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@Layne, sure, it's an inexact science, but my comment still stands. (I have worked in mental health services.)
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@harrim51, sorry to hear about your daughter, I can’t inagine what she and you must be going through. Don’t apologise for ‘offloading’ though, I’m a big believer that it’s important to vent every now and then.

@Hurtle, there is a real push on mental health in the NHS at the minute, I’m currently working on a project to build a new perinatal care unit and my company has two other projects (a PICU and CAMHS unit) which will be in use by April 2019. But even once the facilities are built there is still a need to staff them effectively.

I don’t know if it’s a sign of the times or if people are just more open (or if I’m more aware) but mental health issues do seem to be quite prevalent. One of my friends had a bizarre turn recently where he suddenly became paranoid and had heightened senses, from what I understand it was partly triggered by his parents going through a separation (although I also believe some substance abuse was linked). He’s gradually on the mend but for a week or so he was really erratic and kept thinking people were following him. Apparently he was doing 120mph+ because he though drug dealers were chasing him. That level of paranoia was thankfully brief but he’s still ‘different’ from before the epidoside, even though it was several months ago. The brain is definitely a weird thing.
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@harrim51, Can only offer my best wishes that you all get through it.

I tend to believe that we are all on a spectrum of mental wellbeing and that anyone who never encounters real issues is simply more successful at compartmentalising and putting away the "bad stuff". It can be particularly hard as a teen/young adult what with working out who you are (and seeing that objectively rather than self critically) and reconciling it with what other people believe you to be and want you to be.



@SnoodlesMcFlude, I think we are getting a bit more enlightened these days although it's a slow process. And to be honest although the stigma is less I suspect you scratch the surface and find many employers or managers who still believe depression or stress is an excuse for a skive.
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@SnoodlesMcFlude, I think we are getting a bit more enlightened these days although it's a slow process. And to be honest although the stigma is less I suspect you scratch the surface and find many employers or managers who still believe depression or stress is an excuse for a skive.


I don't think it's just employers, I think generally people make that assumption. I must admit that I found it hard to reconcile that my mate was off work with stress but was posting on facebook about going out for lunches and bike rides etc. Of course all that is part of healing process, but people don't necessarily think of that when someone doesn't seem 'ill'.
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