 Poster: A snowHead
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Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Sun 24-12-17 18:33; edited 4 times in total
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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It's handed down by their "instructors" Came across a friend "teaching" his wife to board, guess where?
Sitting in the middle of the piste beneath a blind crest........................................
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Let's not start that old chestnut, it's the same question as to why skiers all stand in the middle of the piste. All responsible hill users should know the FIS code (as opposed to the "rules") re stopping at side and being visible.
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..because the bars aren't open yet?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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to get to the other side? oh, hang on, that's the chicken joke.
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So you can see them?
Anyway, I'd rather have them there than shredding lines through the powder 
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Come across that in Andorra a few times 
Learned my boarding in Canada, they were very clear about where to (not) stop, it was drummed into me.
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I once landed on one, who decided to take a long rest, in one of the hollows in the series of jumps, on the Terrain Park of the L2A Glacier. He must have sat there for at least 5 minutes, completely hidden, before I set off.
Luckily, neither one of us was hurt.
Last edited by After all it is free  on Thu 21-12-17 13:36; edited 1 time in total
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I'd feel very vulnerable sitting in the middle of the piste with my back facing uphill.
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@kb36, I think you're missing the point (are you a snowBoarder?).
I'm used to seeing snowBoarders sat, vulnerable in the middle of the piste, (to a certain extent it's just natural selection at work) - I just thought it irresponsible of an ESF instructor to be teaching that way.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I agree that it is indeed irresponsible but I am sure there will be similar footage of ski instructors stood right in the middle of pistes.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I always assumed that they where rebels and so did it because they where told not to 
On a side note though, I've always been told to stop well to the side in (ski) lessons and even then there's usually someone who wants to go off the side of the piste too so nowhere is safe!
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| kb36 wrote: |
| I agree that it is indeed irresponsible but I am sure there will be similar footage of ski instructors stood right in the middle of pistes. |
Have at it mate - post it here! Let's show them up when they're being irresponsible.
Gregory and I were on our way, at some considerable speed down a quiet black run in Courchevel. Suddenly, we came over a hump to be presented with a dozen pairs of skis, discarded right in the middle of the piste. To our right, at the edge of the piste was an ESF instructor with his class of kids all hitting the snow with their ski poles. Who knows what the exercise was but leaving all those skis behind a blind rise was totally out of order. Unfortunately no photo on that occasion though.
It's my impression, though derived entirely anecdotally, that ESF instructors are far more prone than independents to treat public pistes as their own personal territory.
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You know it makes sense.
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It's my impression, though derived entirely anecdotally, that ESF instructors are far more prone than independents to treat public pistes as their own personal territory.
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Seems that way to me too.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I set out to find a spot on a video where I thought I would find ESF ski instructors obstructing the piste with their group.
Unfortunately (for us boardies) I could only raise you to 2 ESF snowboard instructors blocking the piste, within 10m of each other!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@BoardieK, @Bones, crikey, those are a bit shocking. 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Same reason as MAMIL's ride two abreast?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Why do snowBoarders sit in the middle of the piste?
Because the lift exits and ramps were already full.
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| admin wrote: |
It's my impression, though derived entirely anecdotally, that ESF instructors are far more prone than independents to treat public pistes as their own personal territory. |
Meh - me too. ESF school - 25 kid snake blocking the entire piste. Any other school....25 kid snake blocking half the piste.
Sharing is caring.
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Because it’s the best place to be proper sick on the mountain.
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I have to add my name to the list of people that have nearly hit snowboarders that have been sat on the piste just over a blind brow, but I also nearly hit a skier that had stopped halfway down a skiercross run, right in the middle. There are clever people and idiots in every group of people, it's just the ratio that changes slightly
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My SIL is a boarder and she constantly has a go at me for not wearing a helmet but she walks into the middle of the piste, just under a blind brow to sit down and put her board on, she also rode her bike into a parked pickup and broke vertibrae and knee ligaments, rode her bike into a tree and knocked her teeth out. I'm no slouch on skis but I choose to use common sense to recognise hazards and avoid accidents in the first place.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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[quote="Thornyhill"]
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Meh - me too. ESF school - 25 kid snake blocking the entire piste. Any other school....25 kid snake blocking half the piste.
Sharing is caring. |
Actually, the reason I've slowed right down at the instant of the above photo is not because of the barricade of boardies but because of the snake of 25 ESF children just out of shot to my left!
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You know it makes sense.
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| Thornyhill wrote: |
| admin wrote: |
It's my impression, though derived entirely anecdotally, that ESF instructors are far more prone than independents to treat public pistes as their own personal territory. |
Meh - me too. ESF school - 25 kid snake blocking the entire piste. Any other school....25 kid snake blocking half the piste.
Sharing is caring. |
Ah the Python - once your wrapped up in their, you ain't getting out!!
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Ah, but were you standing right in the middle of the off-piste @PaulC1984?
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Poster: A snowHead
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Apparently it's because they find it easier to push off from a downhill slope than a flat one. This of course could still be accomplished at the side of the piste..!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I agree. Seems to be more prevalent than in the past, my other favourite is choosing to stop on the outside of a tight narrow bend, effectively making the bend tighter and narrower, and if anyone loses an edge becoming skittles for them to barrel into.
Surely in the interests of PR and self improvement they have a "report an instructor" button on a website somewhere so we can share our delightful images of inconsiderate behaviour?
We must also have dozens of pictures of their instructors taking inexperienced skiiers off piste without any kind of safety equipment too, right?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I once saw some skiers attempting a blue run without having performed a full written risk analysis and peer review - idiots !
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Digger the dinosaur wrote: |
| Surely in the interests of PR and self improvement they have a "report an instructor" button on a website somewhere so we can share our delightful images of inconsiderate behaviour? |
Perhaps the back ESF jackets should bear the inscription "How's my instructing?" and a phone number for feedback? Although I suspect providing such feedback wouldn't result in much more than a distance shrug and a tele-pout.
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| skivor wrote: |
| Apparently it's because they find it easier to push off from a downhill slope than a flat one. This of course could still be accomplished at the side of the piste..! |
Actually, its because some ride goofy footed & others regular footed. So when they start regular stance will likely go right & first turn left, while goofy footed would go left & first turn right.
So the only time a group or learners are at the closest point is when in the middle... but they should really stack up behind each other, rather than across the slope.
To be fair, Skiers stand around in the middle of slopes as well... and from a boarder point of view, there is nothing worse than approaching a snaking line of learner skiers. Especially kids.
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| and from a boarder point of view, there is nothing worse than approaching a snaking line of learner skiers. Especially kids. |
Actually that's no different from a boarder's pov than a skier's - the obstacle is the same. The only point of relevance is how much control you have over your own speed and direction to negotiate this complex obstacle - from that pov though, I can see why it may be a greater encumbrance to boarders, on average.
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So that I can spray them with snow as I’m passing(and it’s the perfect height to hit them in the face).
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@Digger the dinosaur,
I have a whole album of an ESF group skiing(I apply that term to myself very loosely since I was on my back bottom most of time) several itineraries in Valdisere and only the instructor had a shovel and probe, I didn’t know any better at the time of course as it was only my 3rd or 4th week.
We later discovered that several of the “students” were in fact his mates from the village and he was using the lessons as a free day out for them.
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| Orange200 wrote: |
Come across that in Andorra a few times
Learned my boarding in Canada, they were very clear about where to (not) stop, it was drummed into me. |
It seems to happen everyone, and sure maybe there are some resorts that are better than others but anecdotal evidence or 'sample of 1' evidence is pretty meaningless. And to demonstrate this... I learned my skiing in Andorra, they were very clear about where to (not) stop, it was drummed into me.
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