When i'm skiing in the position that feels most natural to me (the wrong one) i'm bent at the knees and get on the edges by rolling the knees to the right or left.
My instructor tells me 2 things, upper body should be more forward (leaning) and get the hips forward. For a while, I was struggling with how I can lean the upper body over and also get my hips forward.
On my last few runs, I think it was clearer, with my upper body leaned over and my hips forward, i'm forced to extend my outside leg during the turn (rather than never really needing to do this when skiing in the position I naturally take).
Does this sound right, if i'm in the correct position I will need to extend the leg of the outside ski?
Hope this makes sense When i'm asked to correct something, I always try do it but it can feel awkward, i'm never sure i'm not messing up my technique in another area and I can't keep recreating it unless I get what i'm trying to do right in my head
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If you don't understand something that your instructor says, ask them to explain it. A lot of short phrases that we use with clients are relative to what we see them doing at that time, not absolute statements.
- I think it's unhelpful to think of flexing from the knees...it's better to flex from the ankles, with knees and upper body matching that angle, to keep you in balance over the skis.
- Your back should be rounded....not hollowed with your bum sticking out.
- On GS type turns, your weight (hips) should, as you get more advanced, move forward of (and across) your feet as you launch into the turn, but your feet should then ride through during the turn, leaving you back over the middle of the skis.
- Check out Darren Turner Videos, who shows the progression from a simple "Roll your Knees" turn, to carving at speed, which requires a "stacked", dynamic position.
- To control speed, you either have to introduce some skid, or hold onto your turn longer, if carving.
Your back should be rounded....not hollowed with your bum sticking out.
Or in other words, shag not sh it
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Your back should be rounded....not hollowed with your bum sticking out.
Or in other words, shag not sh it
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colly10 wrote:
On my last few runs, I think it was clearer, with my upper body leaned over and my hips forward, i'm forced to extend my outside leg during the turn (rather than never really needing to do this when skiing in the position I naturally take).
Does this sound right, if i'm in the correct position I will need to extend the leg of the outside ski?
It's exactly what you should be doing. Long leg/short leg is one of the mantras of learning to carve. You should also have at least 80% of your pressure/weight on that extended leg.
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rjs wrote:
If you don't understand something that your instructor says, ask them to explain it. A lot of short phrases that we use with clients are relative to what we see them doing at that time, not absolute statements.
I do but alot of the time I struggle a bit to articulate what's in my head. But I do stand and say is this the position I should be in, they'll correct it and i'll give it a shot on the next run but if my balance doesn't feel right on the next run I know that i'm doing something wrong. Your position is dynamic so when i'm told to be in a certain position sometimes it's hard to know at what point or how it all fits together with the rest of what i'm doing.
I kind of nearly need to keep trying to do what's being said till it feels right and natural
Raceplate wrote:
It's exactly what you should be doing. Long leg/short leg is one of the mantras of learning to carve. You should also have at least 80% of your pressure/weight on that extended leg.
Thanks, long leg/short leg being a mantra clears up alot. I know now that what I ended up doing on the last 2 or 3 runs is the way to go (sometimes I worry when I practicing something that i'll train myself to do wrong technique and will be stuck with something worse than what comes natural )
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colly10 wrote:
Thanks, long leg/short leg being a mantra clears up alot. I know now that what I ended up doing on the last 2 or 3 runs is the way to go (sometimes I worry when I practicing something that i'll train myself to do wrong technique and will be stuck with something worse than comes natural )
As I understand it, the Long Leg/Short Leg should be achieved by shortening the uphill leg "Vertically", not "Laterally". By that I mean, lifting/tucking the U/Hill leg up under your hip (which increases the edge angle on the D/Hill ski); rather than just widening your stance, which just makes you look stupid.
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@colly10, I think it is more helpful to think (and talk about) the movements we make rather than the positions we need to adopt. The danger with thinking about position is that we can get too static, rather than being a dynamic skier naturally creating and responding to the forces that are created as we steer the skis around the turn.
You are right to describe the movement you need to make as extending the outside leg as you start the turn, which in a carved turn needs to be as much of a lateral move as you are able to manage while staying in balance, which will (a) help you balance more effectively on the outside ski, and (b) start to tip your skis on to a bigger edge angle. This movement will also help your hips move forwards so that you are better balanced with your hips aligned with your feet, rather than a bit behind your feet (which I think is what your instructor was trying to fix).
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Your hips may be tilted to start with (anterior pelvic tilt) so the correct stacked position doesn't feel natural - for more info see the hamstring thread.
A couple of things that might help, they help me.
Think about the position of your hands and arms, along with the round back mentioned above, think round shoulders, round arms and hands up and front where you can see them. This will help keep your weight more forward, I occasionally clap my hands to remind me to keep them forward.
Focusing on extending the outside leg is about putting pressure on the ski, but you need to be careful, extend it to far and you’ll end up with a straight leg which is not good. The start position is a bit like a goal keeper, low and with both legs bent, plus arms and hands as above. You put pressure on the Ski by extending the leg, it’s also possible to do the same by shortening the other leg, or a combination of the two play around with this somewhere safe and see what happens. A modern shapely ski will respond quickly to being tipped over and the more you tip it the tighter the turn.
You’re doing the right thing by getting tuition, but don’t over think it, skiing is physical you learn from doing, the instructor can help you lock in the good moves and call out the duff one, but don’t over analyse things, kids learn really quickly usually quicker than adults but not by thinking about the technicalities but just getting stuck in. Have fun.
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Nothing for me to add on the technical side, i'm only a middling intermediate myself. Just wanted to say how much i enjoy these "bend ze knees" threads where all you expert guys impart your wisdom to those of us that are in desperate need of it.
just saying thanks
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gazzaredcruiser wrote:
Nothing for me to add on the technical side, i'm only a middling intermediate myself. Just wanted to say how much i enjoy these "bend ze knees" threads where all you expert guys impart your wisdom to those of us that are in desperate need of it.
just saying thanks
Talking like an expert is much easier than skiing like one....I'm better at the former. I'm not a Pro, so there is a (small?) chance I could be wrong.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
my advice "only read and take note of what rob@rar has to say" he's proven and qualified to give you the correct info
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What you trying to say I’m one of the best skiers on the whole internet.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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What you trying to say I’m one of the best skiers on the whole internet.
Is your name Rob?
This "Bend ze Knees" section should be renamed "Ask Rob" because he is the only qualified ski instructor or good skier on the internet so only Rob can help. It's a well know secret that Rob taught Chuck Norris how to ski.
In 1992, a ski instructing unit was sent home (without any supper) for an Apres Ski fashion faux paus that they didn't commit. These people promptly escaped from a paper bag to a secret location (not far from Hemel Hempstead). Today, still wanted by the the Apres Ski Fashion Police, they survive as Ski instructors of fortune. If you have a problem... if no one else can help... if other people on the internet are just talking ski instruction ballcocks ..... and if you can find them... maybe you can hire... The Inside out Team.
@DB, I await with bated breath IOS' thanks for this amazing accolade. Once they've worked out that that's what is. Mind you, they themselves take some working out sometimes - at least two of their instructors have the weirdest accents.
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@Hurtle,
Just because they don't talk proper (what like I can) don't mean dat they they don't ski and teach good enough to justify their ski instruction lives on the slopes / chillin' in the hot tubs. The only other options are afterall asking for ski instruction advice on here or on Mumsnet.
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DB wrote:
It's a well know secret that Rob taught Chuck Norris how to ski.
No, it wasn't Chuck, it was his brother Boris.
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rob@rar wrote:
DB wrote:
It's a well know secret that Rob taught Chuck Norris how to ski.
No, it wasn't Chuck, it was his brother Boris.
Boris Norris, what a great name.
PS There sems to something wrong with the formatting on your Inside Out ski page.
First of all some scott bloke is first on the list instead of you and then right after your name there's a female instructor who is not only far better looking but also appears to have more and higher qualifications than you (must be a misprint). Probaly best to shift her to the bottom of the page with the other levels 4's another one of which also has a goofy pic of himself standing on one ski, is this a prerequisite for Level 4 I wonder?
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@DB,
Seriously, Scott needs to get a licence for the A-team theme music and put an advert together. They could put a collage of before n after vids of their ‘favourite ‘ clients (you know who you are )
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DB wrote:
.. there's a female instructor who is not only far better looking but also appears to have more and higher qualifications...
Can she turn an old, washed-up desk jockey with minimal talent into a ligety-style GS racer?
Asking for a friend
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I’m having trouble with one legged pivot slips, switch, I’m ok on my right leg but have to poke myself round on my left, can she help me.
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When i'm asked to correct something, I always try do it but it can feel awkward, i'm never sure i'm not messing up my technique in another area and I can't keep recreating it unless I get what i'm trying to do right in my head
Mind you, they themselves take some working out sometimes - at least two of their instructors have the weirdest accents. 
