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With prolonged hot, dry weather and record breaking temperatures coming, what effect on the mountains, glaciers, alpine life?
Any SnowHeads out there with eye witness experiences?
Will the mountains act like giant storage heaters and affect next winter season?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Well I'm in NZ for a while & the last summer was apparently exceptionally good & they're having a great ski season.
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Lots of glacier melt in Stubaital and Ötztal nice, with peak flows on the rivers perfectly timed for after work kayaking 
Bittersweet as a skier of course, but gotta be good for the river and valley ecosystems. Stubaier glacier has got a lot darker/greyer in the last 7 days...
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The rivers and streams are all in spate here in the Bernese Oberland - there’s been very little rain so it’s all glacier melt. On the other side of the coin there’s still snow in some of the north facing gullies down to about 1700 metres. I don’t think summer weather affects the following winter - there’s plenty of time for everything to cool down.
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There's been a fair bit of rain here. A hot day generally means a heavy thunderstorm in the evening. I can still see snow on the top peaks.
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@PeakyB, mere speculation but I think “heatwaves” have more to do with humans’ limited comfort range than any environmental changes.
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| PeakyB wrote: |
With prolonged hot, dry weather and record breaking temperatures coming, what effect on the mountains, glaciers, alpine life?
Any SnowHeads out there with eye witness experiences?
Will the mountains act like giant storage heaters and affect next winter season? |
In answer to your last question, no.
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The real thing to look for is how much of a "blob" forms in the Pacific as that can have a dramatic impact on winter jetstream patterns
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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An extensively warm summer may well mean warmer than Normal sea temperatures going into winter which would mean warmer than normal air temperatures from the west. However that was also true last year and we got one of the best winters of the last 20 years with a preponderance of easterlies. What we do know is that the world is warming, particularly in the higher latitudes and in the medium term that isn’t great news for our sport unfortunately.
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| Peter S wrote: |
| An extensively warm summer may well mean warmer than Normal sea temperatures going into winter which would mean warmer than normal air temperatures from the west. However that was also true last year and we got one of the best winters of the last 20 years with a preponderance of easterlies. What we do know is that the world is warming, particularly in the higher latitudes and in the medium term that isn’t great news for our sport unfortunately. |
It was very warm from January - there might have been a lot of snow at altitude but calling it the best winter for 20 years is really over egging the pudding. High altitude resorts got a lot of snow but, at least in the areas I was watching, there were rarely large dumps so often when powder skiing the base was present unless on the fattest skis and almost all fresh snowfall was followed by foehn, high altitude rain, or a thaw so you had to hit the good days when they were there. The end of season was poor - really warm April, spring snow skiing was marred by a frequently pock marked surface due to the high average temperatures such as this:
Normally we get a little winter at the end of the season, not really this year although there was some low level snowfall mid May.
Personally I'd take a bit less snow but a bit colder than last winter. We had poor snow cover below 1500 meters, actually poorer than the previous two winters which if snowless, at least were cold during the winter months. I know conditions were different from range to range, I was surprised by the amount of snow still at the end of April in the Val d'Arly.
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You know it makes sense.
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The European Alps are melting and drying.
The number of skiable yearround glaciers has collapsed -90% in the past 40 years.
The 2017 / 2018 Winter for the European Alps was among the rainiest in recorded history. Weeks of rain at low and medium altitudes.
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@Whitegold,
"The European Alps are melting and drying" vs "The 17/18 Winter for the European Alps was the rainiest on record"
Discuss!
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| chocksaway wrote: |
@Whitegold,
"The European Alps are melting and drying" vs "The 17/18 Winter for the European Alps was the rainiest on record"
Discuss! |
What's there to discuss? One of the two opposite statements were !
The 2nd is a statement of "data". The 1st expression of opinion/prediction. If anyone wants to "discuss" how wrong the 1st part of opinion is, go right ahead...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@davidof, thanks, interesting data.
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Just poking the troll 
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| abc wrote: |
| chocksaway wrote: |
@Whitegold,
"The European Alps are melting and drying" vs "The 17/18 Winter for the European Alps was the rainiest on record"
Discuss! |
What's there to discuss? One of the two opposite statements were !
The 2nd is a statement of "data". The 1st expression of opinion/prediction. If anyone wants to "discuss" how wrong the 1st part of opinion is, go right ahead... |
It is all facts, son.
No opinion.
The Alps have heated up by +1c in the past ~50 years.
All Alpine glaciers are melting.
Alpine snowfall has declined 10-30% in the past ~50 years.
There is less snow.
The Alps are drying up.
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Top post from Davidof.
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Maybe true as a generalisation, but the historical weather observations posted in the museum at Obergurgl, Austria (I cannot seem to meet the technical challenge of posting the photo I took, but the stats are attributed to Zentralanstalt fur Meterologie und Geodynamik) show the winter temperatures at 1938m in that specific locality actually decreasing slightly since 1947, with snowfall remaining roughly the same for the past 30 years (not counting last season's exceptional snowfall, of course).
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Surprised there is any controversy over last season's conditions. Everyone here is raving about how fantastic they were and hoping for a repetition next season.
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| tatmanstours wrote: |
| Surprised there is any controversy over last season's conditions. Everyone here is raving about how fantastic they were and hoping for a repetition next season. |
oh god I hope not, rain rain rain, foehn, foehn, foehn foehn around here. Colder would be good. Our last really good winter was 2013 from memory.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@davidof, where is here?
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| Whitegold wrote: |
| abc wrote: |
| chocksaway wrote: |
@Whitegold,
"The European Alps are melting and drying" vs "The 17/18 Winter for the European Alps was the rainiest on record"
Discuss! |
What's there to discuss? One of the two opposite statements were !
The 2nd is a statement of "data". The 1st expression of opinion/prediction. If anyone wants to "discuss" how wrong the 1st part of opinion is, go right ahead... |
It is all facts, son.
No opinion.
The Alps have heated up by +1c in the past ~50 years.
All Alpine glaciers are melting.
Alpine snowfall has declined 10-30% in the past ~50 years.
There is less snow.
The Alps are drying up. |
Its a cycle & supposedly about to come to end & a cooling cycle is about to start.
Should put to bed the global warming conspiracy. I mean climate change since global warming has already been proven not to be true.
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You know it makes sense.
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OOOoooooooooh, controversial......................
Still, an open mind is good.................sunspot activity is now declining...............
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Maersk,
well, people can either choose to believe what they have been told, or challenge what they have been told.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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But they owe it to themselves to try to acknowledge the difference between their "opinion" and objective fact.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I should have directed that post to Mr Egg.
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Climate change denial ?Compliments the pro Brexit dogma I suppose 
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| Mr.Egg wrote: |
| Whitegold wrote: |
| abc wrote: |
| chocksaway wrote: |
@Whitegold,
"The European Alps are melting and drying" vs "The 17/18 Winter for the European Alps was the rainiest on record"
Discuss! |
What's there to discuss? One of the two opposite statements were !
The 2nd is a statement of "data". The 1st expression of opinion/prediction. If anyone wants to "discuss" how wrong the 1st part of opinion is, go right ahead... |
It is all facts, son.
No opinion.
The Alps have heated up by +1c in the past ~50 years.
All Alpine glaciers are melting.
Alpine snowfall has declined 10-30% in the past ~50 years.
There is less snow.
The Alps are drying up. |
Its a cycle & supposedly about to come to end & a cooling cycle is about to start.
Should put to bed the global warming conspiracy. I mean climate change since global warming has already been proven not to be true. |
The natural warming cycle began 20,000 years ago.
The human warming cycle began 200 years ago.
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So I don't clutter up the forecasting thread with rebuttals to delusional science deniers I'll post here instead.
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im not going to spoon feed you.
your capable of using search engines. |
I'm the one that's linked to a reputable source care to share some links of your own?
PS infowars / fox news don't count.
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@Daishan,
Nothing delusional about being sceptical about a link between co2 and anthropogenic warming. Im sure there is some effect but nothing to the level that the media go on about. Warming exits in the models it hasn't faired to well in reality.
These two graphs in my opinion bring into question the theory on global warming.
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/full.html
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_June_2018_v6.jpg
If humans didn't exist on the planet, what should the climate currently be doing? staying static, warming or cooling? since no-one can answer that question, how on earth can there be a "consensus" saying that we are warming the planet through industrial activity.
Equally I can imagine most people reading this, go skiing every year, own cars, take plenty of flights and are more than happy to crank up the heating when it gets cold, they would probably also not be willing to change any of those things. Just putting your plastic packaging in to a recycling bin (which probably gets burnt anyway) does not make a blind bit of difference to co2 emissions. So why worry?
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delusional
dɪˈluːʒ(ə)n(ə)l/
adjective
characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument. |
Sounds about right to me, 20 years ago been sceptical was understandable at this point the evidence is overwhelming.
@letelemarker, the 2nd graph you linked says "global lower atmosphere" I'm guessing that doesn't include ocean temperatures, that's a massive heat sink.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record
First graph shows combined average temps.
Just because climate scientists can't say with 100% certainty what the climate would be without humans doesn't suddenly make their work worthless.
I believe I read a couple of articles a few years ago showing good evidence that several of the natural cycles we're having a downward pressure on global temps, hence the 90's pause (that wasn't really a pause).
As for why worry, if climate change isn't something the general public accepts and cares about there's going to be very little political will to work to reduce CO2 emissions.
Yes inderviduals can help but without government enforced carbon caps the average citizen isn't going to have much of an effect.
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Just because climate scientists can't say with 100% certainty what the climate would be without humans doesn't suddenly make their work worthless
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It actually does make it worthless. Its a key point. If you have no idea what is meant to be happing how can you come up with a theory that says the planet is warming due to human causes, its just crazy. There has been temperature variability since we have been in the current Holocene and we don't know how we got to there from the previous ice age.
The graph below is the Greenland/antarctic ice core reconstruction data
http://cdn.antarcticglaciers.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ice_Age_Temperature.png
@Daishan, what wiki, guardian, royal society article can you copy and paste to explain that temperature variability?
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