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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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FWIW I have the 28l on test atm and have been impressed so far. Not much room (the avi tools pocket is huge, but I don't want to put anything extra in there; 'main' pocket is enough unless you want to take a DSLR or similar), but in 4 flights never been questioned or pulled up going through security.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@clarky999, I would say that be Jetforce bags have proper sized Avi Pockets, rather than huge. Most packs I've used struggle to fit a full sized shovel and probe, but the Jetforce ones there obviously designed to take the Black Diamond Evac 7 and 320 carbon probe.
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I have a source for a BD 28l at £540 so may take the plunge.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@PowderAdict, I can easily get a pair of skins + goggles (or similar) in the avi tools pocket in addition to shovel & probe; I'd just rather have that space re-distributed to another pocket where it would be more useful.
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@GlasgowCyclops, Is that a commercial website source, or someone in the trade? The lowest price I've seen was the £629 I paid for my Pieps last summer.
@clarky999, Maybe the Jetforce has a different sized tool pocket to the Pieps versions.
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@clarky999, When you've done with it I'm in the market mate, after we left you in IBK we got our ABS canisters taken by security and its 70€ to get them bailed. Don't need that nonsense....
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@GlasgowCyclops, Nothing on their website, so I guess in store only. Excellent price though 
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@Markymark29, I've got a Pieps Jetforce Tour Rider 24 in S/M Black and red, that I'm looking to sell, as I've now bought the larger Tour Pro 34. Not sure if the 24Ltr size is of any use to you?
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@Markymark29, unfortunately I have to give it back in a few weeks 
Had similar problems with cartridges at Zurich before - you'd think ski destination airports would know how to handle them by now! Let me know if I can help though - I'm in the UK atm but when back in IBK I can go and get them and keep hold of them until the next time you're out if that helps?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Quick question - realistically how heavy do the Jetforce packs feel on your back compared to the 'light' compressed gas packs? Is the weight as much as a problem as the reviews make out? Would it put you off buying again?
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| PowderAdict wrote: |
| @GlasgowCyclops, Nothing on their website, so I guess in store only. Excellent price though |
Nope, nothing on their set but i was in and asked. They had them in their Perth shop and had it sent.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Quick question - realistically how heavy do the Jetforce packs feel on your back compared to the 'light' compressed gas packs? Is the weight as much as a problem as the reviews make out? Would it put you off buying again? |
Compared to other packs I did feel it was slightly heavier than PaulC's 24l Ortovox. Note, I have never compared side by side. BUT  the bag is so comfortable that I'm sure it is worth it and once all the kit is inside it is not so noticeable.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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It is there but listed as out of stock:
http://www.tiso.com/tiso-blkd-1127265/black-diamond-equipment-halo-28-jetforce-fire-red-tiso-blkd-1127265
Great price and I would definately have been tempted when I was looking if it cost that then. Weight did put me off a bit as well though. I sold my Salewa ABS pack as it weighed a similar 3.5kg with the carbon cartridge and nothing in it. 5-6kg when loaded with shovel/probe/snack etc even if they were light. Weight was all out the back as well. Ended up getting the Mammut PAS system as my 30L pack with carbon cartridge weighs 2.1kg and a lot of the weight of the airbag is distributed across the shoulders with the airbag design. Also interchangable so a weak moment on Ebay left me with a 15L pack as well which is a similar weight.
@capability, I will have it at the EOSB if you are there and want to try/compare
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Poster: A snowHead
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Has you still got the Pieps Jetforce back pack to sell? @PowderAdict, kinda fishing but maybe not at the right price 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@PowderAdict, beenative reminded me not been back to you. I've decided i'm going to stay with ABS and leave the canisters out in resort. I recently got mine confiscated at Munich and they want 70€ to post to me, I'm going to push for it back from Lufthansa but its a faff. I can't afford to go Jetforce just now but ideally that's the way I think - I also want to see how the tech evolves.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Which airbag backpacks have a concealed hydration tube through the shoulder strap? Only one's I've seen have external loops only.
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@Dr John, My ortovox ABS pack has a concealed hydration tube, either side, as you can swap sides for the activation thing
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@Dr John, Mammut too
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@beenative, Sorry, missed your post. My Pieps Tour 24 is still for sale. PM me if you are interested.
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@Markymark29, With all the investment involved, l'm fairly sure that Black Diamond and Arcteryx aren't going to be releasing new packs every couple of years. They also need to protect the early adopters, as no one wants to see their £700-800 investment made obsoleted the following year.
With battery technology advancing rapidly, the packs will get lighter (also see Lou's half sized battery on WildSnow). But the requirement to extract all the air for inflation through the walls of the pack (rather than only 50% with the gas packs), does restrict what they can do with the design.
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@AndAnotherThing.., @clarky999, Lovely, thanks.
@Zorrac, which version is that? Then ones I've loved at only have external loops.
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| PowderAdict wrote: |
@Markymark29, With all the investment involved, l'm fairly sure that Black Diamond and Arcteryx aren't going to be releasing new packs every couple of years. They also need to protect the early adopters, as no one wants to see their £700-800 investment made obsoleted the following year.
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Why? They are consumer products companies so why would they not be refreshing their range every couple of years? & why "protect" early adopters? Their packs will still work. It's not a secret that buying early in a product's lifecycle often means you are paying top dollar for something that is going to be improved and the price drop over time as volume sales kick in.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, You said it better than me! 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Of course I don't believe that there is much of a volume market in airbag packs which is why the price remains high for the same reason that transceivers if they were a ubitiquitous consumer electronic would be a lot cheaper. The market like many outdoor sports is I suspect selling upgraded kit to people who already have them.
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@Dave of the Marmottes, Ok, maybe "Protect" was the wrong word, how about give confidence that they got it right and are backing the design.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Dr John, freeride 24 abs
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