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Looking for recommendations on video EDITING software.
Preferably cheap/free Blush software.

Coz I have a few different video cameras, and none of them are great at dealing with the exposure in bright snow.
Is that the kind of thing that can be corrected afterwards by video editing software?

Thanks
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As far as I know, there a no decent free video editors. All the ones I know of are very basic and won't be able to do much about sorting out exposures. I'd be interested to know of any that do though if they do exist. Might just be worth getting a copy of sony vegas or something.
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Is that the kind of thing that can be corrected afterwards by video editing software?


to a degree, though I'm no expert. I have Pinnacle Studio 14 - definitely not free - and am just very tentatively getting to grips with it.

Windows Movie Maker is simple, and free, though pretty basic, even by my very limited standards.
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Tomahawk Tone wrote:

Coz I have a few different video cameras, and none of them are great at dealing with the exposure in bright snow.
Is that the kind of thing that can be corrected afterwards by video editing software?


In my experience with great difficulty if over-exposed - quite often leads to a "burnt-out" image with next to no texture/detail on the snow which looks crap even if you then darken it down in the edit...

Filters are the way forward...
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I've been chopping mine up with Windows Movie maker, but having looked again came across this:

http://www.avs4you.com/AVS-Video-Editor.aspx

Not used it, but may be worth a look ?
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As has been said above - if the image is over exposed then chances are there's very little you can do with it.

A digital camera sensor has discrete values of light that can be captured in against each pixel. How many values are determined by the bit value - for example an 8-bit image has 255 values per pixel.
If the image is under exposed (as in zero light) or over exposed (maximum light) then you'll just get a black or white pixel accordingly with nothing that can be done to retrieve any data. If you have large areas like this then unfortunately there is no editing software that can help - you'll need to either adjust your exposure (if your camera can do this) or apply lens filters that will reduce the exposure. The reason I mention under exposure is that if you select too high a filter value you'll lose the dark areas in the same way your bright ones are currently lost - it's a fine balance.

My experience stems from digital still photography however I am making the assumption that with a similar digital sensor underneath the same logic applies... YMMV!

More reading here if you're interested: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/camera-sensors.htm

To directly answer your question; you'll get very limited enhancement from any editing software, so use whatever is free and you're comfortable with.
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Thanks, all, for the answers so far.
I hear about filters being the best approach, but how to get one on some cameras like these?
. Muvi - http://www.veho-uk.com/main/shop_detail.aspx?article=44
. Action Cam ATC 5k - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Action-Camcorder-Camera-instant-replay/dp/B001W1YJOY?tag=amz07b-21
. KeyFob - http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=key+fob+camera

Yes, I'm talking about some serious bodging ( def not professional quality recording eqpt. Embarassed )
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david@mediacopy wrote:
I've been chopping mine up with Windows Movie maker, but having looked again came across this:

http://www.avs4you.com/AVS-Video-Editor.aspx

Not used it, but may be worth a look ?


I'm trying this at the moment and it does appear to give options to amend the Colour\Contrast\Hue etc. Seems pretty good so far, my issues being getting smooth transitions between clips. It also give a good selection of outputs, although the one's I've tried so far don't seems to work with Windows Media player.

The other problem is the 'free' version watermarks the output, but it's probably worth the $40 as a cheap alt to WMM.
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There is a comparison of video editing software at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software
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Tomahawk Tone, when i was on pc's i used vegas and there were plenty of places online where you could "borrow" a copy to evaluate...

now on macs and they are all pretty rubbish.. thinking about investing in final cut pro...
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I've just bought a copy of Sony Vegas 10 - good reviews and cheap enough on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Movie-Studio-Platinum-Suite/dp/B003L51CZ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302506603&sr=8-1&tag=amz07b-21

Not had chance to play with it much yet but it looks pretty good. The registration codes are a bit of a pain though. Seems much better than the one I noted above.
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I use serif movieplus x3 and it seems pretty good. http://www.amazon.co.uk/MoviePlus-Digital-Video-Studio-DVD/dp/B001KU7LTM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302508266&sr=8-1&tag=amz07b-21
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skimottaret, Final Cut is really good, you can get an express version too (cheaper?). Or probably download a dodgy copy!
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Hi

I use a Sony Handycam and edit the footage through Sony Vegas software. For disc burning I use Sony DVD Architect.

Always found the end results to be excellent and really enjoy making movies of the ski trips I have been on. Great to see footage of how my son is progressing from year to year.

Regards
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eh...Most of the free ones are only the free trial version. There is always some limitation in it.
I used to editing videos with WMM, and now I do with ShowBiz, it's really as easy as WMM and you can edit videos just by dragging video clips or photos into storyboard. Special effects such as transitions, subtitles and so forth are allowed to add to live up your videos.

As you refferred your exposure problem issue, it is also adjustable. But i am not sure if it is what you want.
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So, old thread resurrection, but would be interested in what folks have found works well for GoPro footage?
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with gopro footage, it's often best to run it through cineform to put into a different format. The native gopro h.264 mpeg format can be I have found a little temperamental sometimes. Stick through cineform and output into .mov or .avi and then play with it. Or await the new gopro cineform studio software which is due our (and free) any time now if you believe the rumour mill.
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If your on a PC then Premier and/or After Effects is what you want. AE is better for short things but has much better filters / effects. Premier is better for longer footage. Ideally you want both but if your just getting 1 then Premier.

If you get premier you can always export your movies as a sequence of jpegs then figure out a nice exposure filter in photoshop and batch convert all the frames then stick in back in Prem for final edits.

As someone else mentioned, there are sources online to get these for free and its not like your making anything commercial with it so dont feel bad about 'borrowing' Wink
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boardiac, I did this in iMovie. Works ok, but it's not amazing for reducing the overexposed shots, mind you I don't suppose anything could really bring some of this video all the way back. This is an old gopro Hero 1 btw.


http://youtube.com/v/c38BBJWiIyw
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Hi,
As far as I know, you can try Joyoshare Media Cutter (https://www.joyoshare.com/video-cutter-win/ ), an easy-to-use yet powerful video cutter and editor to cut and edit videos in a professional way. It is a shareware, and you can get a trial version to edit videos for 5 times free of charge. Just give it a try, you may like it.
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Adobe CC definitely not cheap but does pretty much everything. Can subscribe monthly and get one of the smaller packages that has Premiere. Not the easiest software but well worth getting to grips with. Suggest YouTube for loads of tutorials. Motion tracking is not all that difficult and creates stunning effects for your films.
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I have been using Vegas since v11, currently on v16.

I had previously used Pinnacle, Premiere Elements, and some others, none free, and all were buggy crap.

The old Vegas Movie Studio v12 or so is very cheap in the usual places and does more or less everything just fine, especially if you don't shoot in 4K. And rendering in 4K just produces movies which you can't host anywhere (at a bandwidth which is any good for 4K) so you end up being a sad git watching them on your own Smile

I went to Vegas PRO V13 for more involved stuff like importing auto generated subtitles, to do e.g. this

TB20 flight Kastelorizo LGKJ to Ioanina LGIO to Brac LDSB from Peter
https://vimeo.com/304099022

but a simple and crude ski video like this

Ski run at Madonna di Campiglio - from Passo Groste 2444m, run #60 (blue) from Peter
https://vimeo.com/257970736

doesn't need any fancy software...

Well, if you shoot with a go-pro type of action cam (most of which have horrible distortion) and you want anybody to want to watch it more than once, you will want to do lens correction, but even the old Vegas versions can do that (check before buying; one of the plug-ins is called Deform). The other way is to shoot with something like a Sony X3000 which distorts very little, plus it has good stabilisation which for ski videos is really important.

All video editing software has nontrivial learning curves but they are all similar in the basic principles. Due to this learning curve it is worth spending a bit of money, say 100 quid.
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I probably "produce" two to three vids a week, depending on what conditions are like / where I've been etc

This is one of the channels
http://youtube.com/channel/UCui-NVaAfPeX55aVeDCYRlw?view_as=subscriber

I compile GoPro as well as DJI Spark along with SmartPhone footage.

When I get back off the mountain I sit down and go through all the footage and delete 90% - I try to aim for 90secs depending on the quality and action, and below is a good example of that


http://youtube.com/v/yTRh_9FtfcI

Video below uses GoPro and Drone again a lot was deleted, and I think is a minute too long in retrospect


http://youtube.com/v/M7gqNA5gUS8

And then playing around with GoPro angles along with incorporating smart phone clip and titles etc


http://youtube.com/v/EtgZI5G6Ab0&t=1s

I use Adobe Premeiere Elements 2018 - and you can pick up older editions for £50 or less, which I've used over the past twelve or so years since I've been doing vids !
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Thread necro by user with 1 post... for advertising purposes I suppose... but fortunately they're selling garbage, and there are much better video editing tools available, and weirdly the best is 100% free.

I still use Premiere Pro now ant then, buy Davinci Resolve is completely free and has more modern features. Free, so there's no need to pay people to post spam on web forums, and indeed no revenue stream for that sort of scumbag activity.

On the OP, you can of course "correct" video in post, but if you're not using all the dynamic range of the sensor, you can't add information back in later, so really you want to use exposure compensation in camera, to maximize the data you capture.
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DaVinci Resolve, Avid Media Composer First and Lightworks are all free and loaded with features

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/
https://www.avid.com/media-composer-first
https://www.lwks.com

And of course, there are always movie maker and iMovie that come free with their respective Operating Systems.
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Davinci Resolve is amazing and genuine hollywood grade even for special effects. Lightworks I couldnt get to work without crashing for more than 30 minutes, sadly.

You do need a pretty powerful machine though, for any of these.

In my opinion, Da Vinci Resolve is as good as it gets and should cost big money, but doesnt. Learning curve is fine too, for basics.
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