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There have been a loads of comments in the threads in the Disability Snowsport category about how many of us have seen various types of equipment, skiers and general area of adaptive skiing. Quite a few 'wow that's amazing' comments.

Can this thread be the area where those with an interest in adaptive snowsport can ask all the questions without having to stop a mono-ski in full flight and say how the heck does that work!

Fire away and we'll see what we can do to take the mystique out of the world of Disability Snowsport.
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John C, I'll follow this with interest (will be doing a BASI adaptive course at some point in the future). I'm skiing in Tignes at the moment and there are a couple of adaptive clubs with a few lightening fast sit-skiers, maybe the French national team from the logos on their kit. It never fails to impress me.

To kick things off can you give a very brief description of the different classes of adaptive skiing?
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rob@rar wrote:
John C,

To kick things off can you give a very brief description of the different classes of adaptive skiing?


Ok, no expert, but a keen ski buddy so here goes...equipment and types of adaptive skiing

Firstly a general piece of essential kit - A Tether - a long piece of flat rope used attach an instructor/ski buddy to a skier to restrict speed of skier. A set of teathers can be attached to anything or anyone however more regularly to a bi-ski or stand skier who is either learning or needs assistance in keeping to a safe speed.

Sit-skis

Mono-ski - Skier sitting with single ski below. Suspension and shock absorber tailored to the skiers weight. Ski is 'pumped up' with hand lever before mounting chairlift to allow self mounting if good upper body strength. Normally used with two 'riggers'... Ski poles with crutches type hand hold with lower arm cuff. Small ski on end used to reach into turns. Rigger can be set to run position with ski flat or pole position where it can be used to push yourself along or use as stabilisers and to lift body and mono ski on to chairlift.

Various manufacturers and types...





Bi-ski

Same as mono but with 2 shaped skis below. More stable and better for beginners or people with less balance. Can be either used with riggers as above with mono-ski or if skier has less arm strength of does not have ability to hold rigger can be used with fixed outriggers. These attach directly to the bi-ski and provide stabilisation and allow the ski to lean only a certain amount. Skier can use anything from waist up to move weight side to side to lean ski onto fixed outrigger and turn the bi-ski. I have even seen this where the skier could only move their head to redistribute weight.

Again various manufacturers -

Bi-unique


Mountain Man with fixed outriggers fitted


Ski Kart

Not seen in too many resorts but a go-kart like piece of equipment. I last used one in Are in Sweden. Loads of fun, super steerable with arms. Can be set up to be very steady and safe and maneuvered with just one hand. Or set to be skittish, fast and generally mental! Given the size and shape of the kit there is even space to attach full aspirator so can be used safely by skier who needs assistance with their breathing.



Three tracking

One leg, one ski and two long outriggers. Ski and boot usually not adapted. Kick off a ski sometime and try it. If your thigh is not burning then your a better man than me.



Ski-bra - Can be used for stand skiers who require assistance keeping ski tip together. These can also have tethers attached to them to allow instructor to keep speed in check from behind.



Buddy for skiers who have some form of visual impairment. A mic and headset can be fitted to a helmet to allow 2 way communication similar to motorcyclists.

So, starter for 10 - I'm sure I've missed loads of others but that will do for now.

HTH

JC
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John C, What about the 4 trackers? Many CP and stroke guys are 2 legs and 2 outriggers...

I'll see if I can find a photo of a buddy...

The other neuro deficit people are another category. These often don't need special equipment but may need very specialised teaching. (Although one instructor buddy of mine was going to make me special auditory feedback equipment - but I improved enough to not need it before he built it. It would still be an interesting project to attempt for some folks)
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Oh and I know 1 three tracker who is 2 legs 1 outrigger(brain surgery affected the outrigger side IIRC)
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Oh and the learning disabilities group also.

I have worked with a downs syndrome lady. They often need a ski bra to help with snowplow but there are usually other issues. The lady I worked with also had cardiac issues etc and learning issues.
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Little Tiger, exactly, knew I miss loads. 4 trackers aye, missed 4 trackers. Also a popular one with the ladies, 5 trackers. wink wink wink he he he.

Interesting mentioning CP. I have two friends with CP. One sit-skis and one stands. Clearly as in life for every individual there are individual preferences. Ah doesn't difference make the world a more interesting place?

Re. other groups of people, I was more focusing on equipment than the individuals and what differences they may have as a person but yes, a learning disability poses a whole other set of challenges to be overcome...where there's a will...


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John C, little tiger, thanks for the info.
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John C,

Yep...
One of my instructors had a starlight foundation kid. That kid would have a seizure everytime he got emotionally worked up. So Excitement, happy, scared, worried etc all resulted in seizures. At one stage the instructor looked at him skiing at went "OMG he looks like her" and then had to break the news to the kids parents that along with his other issues he had a proprioceptive loss and they needed to ensure they managed to allow for this as well.

That kid just wanted to go "up the big hill" (ie off the beginner slope) My instructor took him on a bunch of "desensitisation" rides on the "big" chairlift. The big day came and they headed for the "big hill". Kid got so excited going up the chairlift with his skis on that he had a seizure as they hit the top. Instructor is sitting on chairlift trying to hold kid on chair and get lift stopped and get kid off.

Instructor was a demanding beast race coach - with a heart of gold and a big softy in reality. He had the ski patrol give the kid a ride to a lookout outside resort to see Mt Kosciusko(our highest peak) and stuff like that. These are the sorts of people get really into disabled instructing. He loved the variety. He would come racing in from running a race program to change over to teaching disabled skiers. he loved all his students no matter how well they skied(in some cases he was just dragging them around the slopes almost - others were racing FIS races)
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We used a variation on a theme for a 4-track system by using a zimmer frame idea on out skis and tethers on them so that he couldn't escape! He had downs and wasn't great with his balance!



The best thing about adaptive skiing is that each person can have a different system. You have covered the types - apart from snowboarding! - but i love the challenge of fitting someone new to something! Bi-skis can have one fixed and one hand held rigger, for example!



Here, we fitted our lass to a snowboard. She is a double AK amputee so we plugged her into the board and off she went! Having no toes to lift the edge didn't matter once we'd harnessed her to the board!

As you said, John C, where there's a will, there's a way!!
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SSG_Vice wrote:

Here, we fitted our lass to a snowboard. She is a double AK amputee so we plugged her into the board and off she went! Having no toes to lift the edge didn't matter once we'd harnessed her to the board!

excellent idea!
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I'm currently a sort of hybrid when it comes to adaptive skiing, as I am a adaptive skier but I am also a volunteer helper with a adaptive skiing club, for those of you interested in adaptive skiing my advice is to contact your local dry slope or indoor snowdome to see if they have a club, because whilst it may not be the most glamorous form of skiing it is by far the most interesting form! The best thing I ever did was start volunteering for the adaptive club and my bff now also who I introduced to the adaptive club as a potential volunteer now volunteers, my bff has as far as I'm aware never regretted volunteering with them either! Long story short definitely consider volunteering for adaptive clubs, at mine we even teach the siblings alongside them sometimes, as well as having a few parents and carers who volunteer for the club!
If anyone has any questions about adaptive volunteering feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer!
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