 Poster: A snowHead
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Hi all. Looking forward to a new ski season, and from a flight I took over the Alps last week, the snow is building very nicely.
Last year I bought new ski boots for the whole family (4) and had them fitted but in 3 sep shops / locations.
All of us ended up buying Custom footbeds, where the insole is removed and replaced with a moulded item to the individuals foot. Then we went off skiing, but for the 1st time in my life (been skiing 30 years) I had cold feet. Although the beds are comfortable!
I checked that the fit around the calf was not too tight, but one day, decided to remove the footbeds and replaced with a "normal" insole.
Bingo - no cold feet.
Anyone else had similar experience with custom footbeds or any thoughts or observations.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Peter Groom, I suggest putting your boots on at home and just leaving them on for 30 mins or so at your normal buckling up position.- You might notice then your foot / feet 'tingling'. This could be caused by pressure on the 'Navicular' bone ( on top of instep, about 1/3 across foot from the inside ). Try reducing buckling pressure here either by , a) Unbuckling, b) Adding 'cardboard / paper shims' fore / aft ( ~4cm apart) at Navicular position thus removing any contact pressure - does that help?
Do your toes have enough around wiggle room? Stand in what you think as a normal ski position, lightly pressing shins into the boot liner tongue, your toe tips should pull back away from the boot front and be under no contact pressure. Also, your toes should free to move around vertically, not cramped side to side either - do you have enough wiggle room?
I ask these questions because, typically a custom footbed has slightly more thickness to it thus reducing allround internal boot/foot clearances AND typically custom footbeds support / raise the foot arch.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Thank you Tim. Very informative.
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the Navicular is on the side of the foot, just in front of and below the ankle, whilst it could be a source of compression (think horses when you hear hooves rather than zebras) the cold feet is most likely coming from compression of the nerves or blood flow on top of the foot, it can be either at the medial CUNIEFORM (the bone Tim was probably meaning to refer to) which sits fairly high in some people or it could be more laterally.
why does it happen? without the footbed the foot is allowed to collapse a little in the boot so any pressure on the dorsal surface is reduced, but edging becomes harder as the foot has no structure to apply pressure from, WITH the footbed (if it is made properly) the foot is held in a more stable position allowing you to apply pressure to the edge of the ski with little or no delay.
simple fix for your boot fitter or it may be just clipping the upper buckles tighter to pull you further back in the boot and having the instep buckle a little loser will solve it. boot fitting things that can be done are far ranging, but could include:
stretching the shell upwards locally
grinding material from the plastic of the shell or tongue
cutting a "window" in the tongue to allow any prominent bone to poke through
reducing the support just a little if the foot is being over supported
reducing the thickness of the baseboard (although this will affect the fit in other places too)
you can play around with bits of paper and cardboard if you hjave the time, but a decent boot fitter should be able to sort that for you in less than 30 mins unless there is something crazy going on where it might take a bit longer
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Los of good advice to digest.
Thank you
Peter
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@CEM, Yes you're right ( obviously ). Probably coming from the Cunieform bones - for me i have a high Intermediate Cunieform.
@Peter Groom, again CEM is right about a 'good' bootfitter sorting the problem quickly. Getting to a such a person might take considerably longer and whoever you choose it's best to ensure they can do and will do the job there and then or a), you'll have to go back to pick up the boots or b), they'll post them to you. In my opinion, there and then is really important but having said that, last couple of minor stretches have been done right first time.
It's getting to their busy time of year, so best ring and make an appointment or ensure they know you're coming and they'll do the job there and then.
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My custom footbeds, moulded by an excellent and revered boot fitter, caused similar problems that proved insoluble over two years. The issues were remedied by using either the original 'floortile' that came with the boots, or a 'low profile' Superfeet product. As suggested on other threads, I fear custom footbeds do not work for everyone.
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@Hozza, did your boot fitter also fit (i.e. Provide or examine your boots?)
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Yes. A good fit. The custom footbeds always felt terrific for the first few hours...
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there are many differing methods in which a custom product can be made, not each one works for everyone, this is where your boot fitter should have at least two custom options to work with so they can match the correct type of custom product made in the correct way (weight bearing, semi weight bearing or non weight bearing) to your feet
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