Having b………d my lower back on a couple of excessively energetic days I sought out an explanation of what I had done. Amongst the pile of things I have read in the last 48hrs, this is excellent …
I definitely am prone to a subtle ars’-out position which feels powerful and controlled but is for sure not balanced in the manner advocated in this useful text - time for the 30 reps 3 or 4 times a day. .
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
FWIW. Before I had back surgery to deal with a herniated disc at L3/L4....I would get a really stiff lower back after skiing for the first few days. Back then, you were encouraged to engage your core by really rounding your back with the hips tucked underneath. I think this, as described in your article, was overdoing it and causing my deteriorating back to "melt down". Post back op, I have gone to a more natural, neutral position.
I think you have your hips tilted the other way...but there is probably something in that article alright. I think there is now a bigger emphasis on rotation from the hip joints to get extra grip and keep the body facing towards the outside of the turn.
I think there is now a bigger emphasis on rotation from the hip joints to get extra grip and keep the body facing towards the outside of the turn.
I think that's always been the case, no?
Possibly - but I have seen the emphasis on so many things over the years, I may have lost track.
There was knee angulation from the D/Hill leg causing an A-Frame. There was Up Unweighting with foot rotation. There was using less Up unweighting and more foot steering; there was trying to reduce foot steering and using the shape of the ski to turn as promoted by Ali Ross. There was using more hip into the turn to ski; there was using less hip into the turn to ski. There was removing all rotation from piste skiing to get that pure carved turn.
Put me down as "You may be right - but maybe not".
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@Old Fartbag, too funny!
Yeah, live long enough, etc.?
Anyhoo my point was that shoulders down fall line (which might be virtual) to an extent has always +/- been a “thing” …
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After all it is free
under a new name wrote:
Anyhoo my point was that shoulders down fall line (which might be virtual) to an extent has always +/- been a “thing” …
We have had this debate before...IMO. There is a difference between "Facing down the Fall Line and "Facing towards the outside of the turn".
I linked to a Video showing what I was talking about.
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Wellllll.......
These guys are ... er .... good.
But they all seem to have pretty 'rounded' backs to me, with their hips tilted forward, out of a neutral vertical position.
But then maybe they all have terrible lower back pain?!!!???
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So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much
@Old Fartbag, I'm not quite sure that video enlightened me very much
You know it makes sense.
You know it makes sense.
under a new name wrote:
@Old Fartbag, I'm not quite sure that video enlightened me very much
Damn!
Maybe it helped the OP - but I doubt it.
Oh well
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
It can be quite difficult to keep track of when your pelvis is in "neutral". Being aware is a focus of Pilates, of course. It is perfectly possible to be in the "pelvis tucked under" position (i.e. shag not shit) and in a variety of fore and aft balances. Same is true of having pelvis tilted forward - weight can be on toes or heels, even without the added leverage of a pair of skis.
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Now this I think is interesting.
At exactly 16.00 in on this latest Fifty vid we have Cody Townsend doing jumps turns - but he is NOT extending his body up to initiate each turn - he is like the position in the 'how to carve low' in the coaching vid above. And Cody T skies some of the toughest, steepest terrain in the world.....
Having b………d my lower back on a couple of excessively energetic days I sought out an explanation of what I had done. Amongst the pile of things I have read in the last 48hrs, this is excellent …
I definitely am prone to a subtle ars’-out position which feels powerful and controlled but is for sure not balanced in the manner advocated in this useful text - time for the 30 reps 3 or 4 times a day. .
Imagine you are squeezing a 50p piece between your bum cheeks and you mustn’t drop it. Tuck it in don’t stick it out!
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
valais2 wrote:
Wellllll.......
These guys are ... er .... good.
But they all seem to have pretty 'rounded' backs to me, with their hips tilted forward, out of a neutral vertical position.
But then maybe they all have terrible lower back pain?!!!???
That amazes me how little they are using their poles. Almost not worth having them. When i learnt, admittedly back in the 80's, poles seemed more important. Maybe this it's a question for another thread.
Having b………d my lower back on a couple of excessively energetic days I sought out an explanation of what I had done. Amongst the pile of things I have read in the last 48hrs, this is excellent …
I definitely am prone to a subtle ars’-out position which feels powerful and controlled but is for sure not balanced in the manner advocated in this useful text - time for the 30 reps 3 or 4 times a day. .
That's an interesting article, but I'd venture to say that, unless you've already done some Pilates, it's quite difficult to isolate your hip joints and to steer/turn with them, rather than with your bum or your knees. I've sometimes heard it described as 'thigh steering' which makes it easier, perhaps, to understand and implement. Also, whilst I agree that skiing with a neutral pelvis most of the time is OK, when things get steep and turny, I'd be wanting to tuck my pelvis a bit and engage my core more strongly. But there again, as a singer, I know that I can engage my core strongly without tucking my pelvis, so perhaps I'm wrong on that one...
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