 Poster: A snowHead
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hi guys,
ive been let down by my hospital (yes i did say hospital), they know say they cant supply me with a brace so has anyone got any recomendations of a good knee brace, cruciate ligaments (both in same knee) and cartlige damage, ive been told anout donjoy braces?? any good,reliable web sites out there?
cheers guys.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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leeboy, Try, these people.
http://www.technologyinmotion.com/
They supply braces like the CTi Edge by Innovation Sports, which are suitable for missing cruciate ligaments.
The NHS can supply these braces, but it will depend on your consultant pushing for it, and your making the case with, for example your job.
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leeboy, will check the one i have at home, but i picked it up in andorra a couple of years ago after a collision , twisted the knee. I found it ideal for support, as it has side bracing but still allows bending of the knee.
Think snow and rock do a sellection on line 
Rob
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Donjoy are the daddy of braces , plus the price too. Otherwise Mcdavid are a very good brand and not so expensive plus they are more available in the uk . Do a google search and i'm sure you'll find what you need .
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leeboy, snowbunny has the best recommendation. For real knee injuries you need a serious brace which needs fitting properly. Ordering a bit of foam from snow and rock isn't going to do it.
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leeboy, TiM will take lots of measurements, your brace should be comfy enough to drive in. My SO uses a CTi brace supplied by the NHS, since he is missing an anterior cruciate ligament. It's very important that you are fitted for a brace, as opposed to a support. Like ise, says,
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Ordering a bit of foam from snow and rock isn't going to do it.
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sorry, just trying to offer some help 
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rob and sharon,
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Your post needs no apology, its quite valid and worthwhile  . These braces are quite specialist, have a look at them on the link. They offer no support or stiffening, and are designed to stop (not inhibit) the movement of the femur forwards of the knee, since it is now inherently unstable. Usually made from Carbon Fibre or ABS, I think. Shops like Snow & Rock use TiM.
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| rob and sharon wrote: |
| sorry, just trying to offer some help |
No problem, it sounds fine for a "basic" twisting injury but I'm not a specialist. I just read the first poster as being a more serious issue needing a more serious support.
My guess is that no long term injury or chronic condition is going to be helped by the foam ones as they're "easily" replaced by physio' and excercise. At least that's the way it goes for me anyway.
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You'll need to make sure that any brace you are supplied with is fitted properly. Also be aware that it only offers protection for hyper extension and people hitting you. It will not stop twisting type injuries, as the brace would need to be fitted to something solid i.e. bone to stop you leg twisting in it.
Have you had surgery on you ACL and PCL. ? How long into your rehab are you? The best protection for your knees are strong Quads and hamstrings. I've heard of people sking without an ACL but they have leg muscles like rock.
I was advised after my ACL reconstrction that I did not need a brace, I had rehabbed successfully, but If I really wanted one I could have had one. I was told that often they were prescribed to boost self confidence as they only provide limited protection. I declined but did use one of the soft type mentioned above as a compromise to myself. What was more imporatnat for me on my first ski trip back was to moderate my behaviour on the slopes, and not deliberately put my self in a sitaution where I could cause more damege, like doing Jumps etc.
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leeboy
Snapped my right ACL twice. Was in rehab for 2 yrs so know what your going through, although I only had 3 ops, 2 recons and a scope. Used Patella 1st and then Hamstring 2nd time round.
I assume that your not Private as they would usually cover the cost of a brace. If your hospital can't, can they not refer you to another that can. Why have they let you down.?
Has your Ortho said whether your ever been pain free. If you've lost any of the cartlidge then its not surprising your in pain when you run. Remember pain is not good and means more damange could be occurring.
Good luck
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thats the thing i am private !! bupa agreed to pay for the brace as my surgeon (premiership club surgeon) refered me, but hospital phoned me today and said that they cant supply the brace as it does not comply with my policy.....
i have no cartlidge on the medial side as it was torn so first was pinned together unsuccessfully then removed, my surgeon has said that what i do will not cause more damage regardless of pain, unless its too bad to do anything but at the minute its a "grit your teeth" kinda pain... although my ortho has refered me to the fitting then buying of a brace, although private i am going to be severly out of pocket !!
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You know it makes sense.
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Sound blx to me. I'd really kick up a stink, I guess they maybe hoping that you'll accept their decision. Surely you can appeal.
Must have been some accident to screw your knee up so much.
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I was recommended http://www.djortho.co.uk/ by CEM for an elbow brace for my snowboarding son's recently dislocated dislocated elbow. It arrived the next day and was worth every penny.
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Poster: A snowHead
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leeboy, My SO's brace was supplied by the NHS, and it was ordered by a surgeon who had carried out an arthroscopy paid for by PPP. The brace was ordered from TiM and fitted by the NHS hospital. My SO also learned to ski with a missing ACL and no support or bracing as he was unaware of the detachment. He opted to pass on the reconstruction because he copes very well day to day, and uses the brace when going onto steep uneven ground, and of course to ski. If you would like names etc, please PM me.
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I don't think a cheap brace exists. Sounds like you'll have to find the money. I guess you'll always use a brace for sking so look at it as a long term investment.
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hi guys, ive had an email off my insureance saying that the reason they are not paying for the brace is becasue i want it for sports only and could live my normal every day life without it..... spoil sports dont they know a man has needs lol.
my wife has agreed to go half's with me for the brace so i think im going to get the CTI 2 from tech in motion, 350 quid ............
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leeboy, TiM will tell you the procedure. I would expect your physio to be able to take all the anatomical measurements necessary for TiM, so the brace should fit straight from the box, with only strap adjustments needed. My SO was fitted for his CTi by an NHS Othopaedic Unit, so he's not visited them either, but, TiM definitely supplied the brace, I looked on the box last night.
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leeboy, They want to fit you for the CTi2, not the Cti Edge, which is a lot cheaper...worth double checking!
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You know it makes sense.
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Rab I`ve ruptured both ACLs and had them both rebuilt. Technical ACL braces [ Don Joy , CTi, Lennox Hill ] help transfer vibration from the ski/ boot/ lower leg to the thigh as an exo-skeleton and thereby relieve the knee of some of the forces that may cause sublacations of the unstable joint. However, tested evidence of the effectiveness of even technical metal/ carbon braces in preventing or protecting knee trauma is, to say the least, ambivalent.This may be influenced by a double bind effect: knee braces may encourage higher risk behaviour and, therefore, the hard evidence may have to be treated carefully.There have been more detailed medical scientific tests in the States that show that not all braces are equal and that some appear more effective than others. I cannot give the reference but a web search may point in the right direction. By the way I use Donjoy, more as a psychological placebo than an engineering prophylactic against further knee damage.
The other line of defence is changing behaviour by educating skiers how to avoid high risk situations and how to fall. The approach has been tested among instructors and ski professionals in New England and the reduction in knee trauma is impressive .
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My tactic with m acl injury when I finally get back to skiing is to make sure that my technique is down to a t and also make sure that my knee supports only compensate for the unnatural movements in skiing only (the movements we never were meant to do as we haven't evolved to do them). I think that if you use a knee support as a "new knee" then that were problems start.
Currently im just using a cheap knee sleeve support that I got from here http://nuovahealth.co.uk/shop/knee-support-brace/ but it is actually proving to be really effective and good... so who need super expensive £500 knee supports that can make your knee reliant on them. hehe
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Sun 20-03-16 13:40; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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Holy thread resurrection Batman 
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@yetijames, Persdonally I would reccomend all skiers wear substantial knee braces at all times.
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| johnE wrote: |
| @yetijames, Persdonally I would reccomend all skiers wear substantial knee braces at all times. |
Based on what medical study? I've seen them adopted prophylactically in sports like Moto X but there you can clearly see the nexus with the mechanic of leg pivot turns.
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I have one i only used a few days after my knee reconstruction,,, if you want it ill post it to you
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| johnE wrote: |
| @yetijames, Persdonally I would reccomend all skiers wear substantial knee braces at all times. |
Utter boll@cks. Doing that just makes your knees lose their natural proprioception which means the next time you ski without a brace you're much more likely to have an injury because your neurosystem doesn't know what it's doing anymore.
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, sorry I didn't check out the prices for the knee brace, the elbow brace was £50, which I thought was plenty enough, although it was excellent value in the end. Good luck, I think you need it! 
) so ill get him to get in touch with TIM to sort out exactly what he nneds to do, its better that way cos ill just get it wrong !!!!!
