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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Looks bright and sunny to me!!
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Snow forecast.Com showing 70cm as of now. Interesting. I'm in chamonix this weekend, hopefully we get some too.
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@Lift faffer, meteoblue not showing much fir Cham and Chamonix Meteo refusing to commit. Maybe a little early to get excited.
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@Karl Marx, do I detect a hint of irony 
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methinks @Karl Marx is trying to make Kapital out of Snow-forecast's weaknesses!! 
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I'll be happy with 27cm 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@luigi,
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Better not take my white trainers then 
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You know it makes sense.
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ZERMATT DUMP UPDATE
Yesterday the snow-forecast.com prediction was 238cm. At 6am this morning (Saturday) the dump alert had been upgraded to 251cm by close of next Thursday (6-day forecast).
Here's that 6-day forecast: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153141323105761&set=p.10153141323105761&type=1&theater
So that includes 34cm today Saturday, 59cm tomorrow Sunday and 77cm on Monday.
The progress of this snow-blitz can be monitored on the Zermatt-Findeln webcam at 2050m: http://www.zermatt.ch/index.php/Webcams/Berge-1/Findeln-2-050-m
Not to spoil the excitement, the Zermatt tourist office predicts:
Saturday: "mostly dry weather will dominate"
Sunday: "On Sunday late morning it will be widely overcast, but mainly dry. At noon dominates overcast, but mainly dry weather. In the late evening it will become overcast with local snowfall."
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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get the snorkel
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That's what I mean - from what that cam shows no snow has fallen - so it's hardly an update of a dump in progress is it 
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Both Landi Radar and Meteo Swiss radar projections are showing some serious precipitation possibilities pushing up from the south for the next 36 hours. Cervinia looks like it is going to do very well (story of this winter). How much makes it over to the Swiss side is in the lap of the weather gods. Lots I hope as I am out there for Easter.
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@Karl Marx, aye Zermatt is not getting much of it. Cervinia is doing alright and looks to have a fair bit more to come. The greedy Italians won't let any of it over the ridge (although it looks like some might make it over later on). I've spent a fair bit of time going over that side this season and can see me doing the same at Easter.
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@Karl Marx, not back tracking on "just giving daily updates of the dump-in-progress" are we
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I'm not sure that I understand your point - the posting at 11.11 was a daily update of the dump-in-progress, which is now in its 3rd day.
The snow-forecast.com forecast of last Friday was that 198cm snow would fall by close of today Monday. Here's what was new on the ground a couple of hours ago:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153146801870761&set=p.10153146801870761&type=1&theater
Note that snow-forecast.com is predicting another dump for next Thursday-Saturday: 106cm total snow.
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Umm. I'm confused. Is there good snow in Zermatt at the moment or not? We're off there next Monday and I'm beginning to worry!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Weathercam wrote: |
| But there has not been a dump yet, so how can there be a daily update of a dump in progress |
OK - 'dump-in-prediction' then
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@Szymon,
We're off tomorrow for the second time this season, snow would be fine in Zermatt and even better on the Italian side. Webcam above is at Findeln (I think) on the Sunnegga side looking over south-facing slopes. Snow was good in December and it will be good this time.
Resort reporting 2.5M on upper runs. I'll be more disappointed if the sun doesn't make an appearance though.
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks franga 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@franga, I agree. KM is just having a bit of fun at snow-forecast's rather outlandish predictions. The snow in Zermatt is fine and will be up to and including Easter. After our Easter trip I am back out again two weeks later for Zermatt unplugged and confidently expect the skiing to be good then. The place that is really benefiting is Cervinia. It has had really good snow this year and is continuing to get it - including as I type. Cervinia can be a bit dodgier as March turns to April as it is south facing so can get slushier. But anyone going out now or in the next couple of weeks would be well advised to splash out the extra cash and get an international pass so that they can spend some time over there.
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Poster: A snowHead
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It seems that snow-forecast.com can't predict snowfall on the day of their 6am forecasts. Not even for the 3-6 hours ahead of those forecasts. As regards Zermatt ...
At 6am on Fri 13 Mar they predicted 5cm snow on that day. There was nothing.
At 6am on Sat 14 Mar they predicted 34cm snow on that day. There was nothing.
At 6am on Sun 15 May they predicted 59cm snow on that day. There was about 1cm.
At 6am today Mon 16 May they predicted 67cm snow today. So far there's been nothing.
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This organisation provides 9-day snow forecasts to the Ski Club of GB, and maybe other organisations.
What are its meteorological credentials?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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These Marxist criticisms of the meteorological prediction system are starting to chafe. I think that the forecasts are written using the very particular form of direct Democracy that only Switzerland is capable of (if the majority of people decide to have snow, there *will* be snow!), and that the differing ideology is your real beef. I respectfully suggest that, if you want a real update of how much snow there is, you tie a couple of planks to your feet and visit the area yourself (sliding down the slopes is a multi-partisan activity). Alternatively, if you want a genuine foretelling of the weather conditions, I suggest moving from politics to religion...
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Szymon, if he actually spent any time out in the mountains on a long term basis he would realise that it's more to do with how the various micro climates throw a spanner in the works of the various models that the many and varied forecast Co's use.
Anyone who knows will look at a number of models and then assess an average over them.
That said look at http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?action=ski;resort=S517~Zermatt;sess=#forecast and http://www.yr.no/place/Switzerland/Valais/Zermatt~2657928/
Currently it's a very complex weather pattern and all is has to do is be 30km out and the results (either way) are staggering.
It's not snow-forecast it's more to do with the complexity this time of fronts tracking through, and his lack of knowledge on this is all too obvious.
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| Weathercam wrote: |
| @Szymon, if he actually spent any time out in the mountains on a long term basis he would realise that it's more to do with how the various micro climates throw a spanner in the works of the various models that the many and varied forecast Co's use ... his lack of knowledge on this is all too obvious. |
@Weathercam, [is it OK if I call you 'Sunshine'?] ... this has nothing to do with how much time I spend on mountains, because I don't claim to be a meteorologist or want to be one - pro or amateur. What is clear is that the more competent local Swiss forecasters understand Zermatt's microclimate a lot better than Snow-forecast.com .
You're making excuses for forecasters who are obviously incompetent. It should be possible for them to predict the snow at 6am for the morning ahead. They clearly can't. For the same company to make 9-day forecasts is preposterous.
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@Karl Marx, snow-forecast are taking one computer generated model called the GFS and automating forecasts based upon it. No more, no less. No human intervention, no "local knowledge"
It is (as you've identified) complex and very hard to get right
http://www.snow-forecast.com/pages/faq#model
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@Karl Marx, you clearly do not understand how all these so called forecast Co's work !
They are not forecasters but a series of computers with complex algorithms that will have a series of models based on various resolutions.
Where as maybe the local Swiss "dudes" (actually human) are looking it at in the old fashioned analytical way in much the same way as I do back in the UK when trying to asses the sea breeze potential on the South Coast in the summer.
So basically I do agree with you that these big Co's are a bit of a joke, but it is unfair to dig one out when they all more or less all use the same models.
Like I say, and amusing that you've latched on to the word "micro climate", that's what it's all about.
Tomorrow we're doing a road trip only 45mins to a place where a guide mate was today with a group and he told me on the phone just now, almost too much fresh today, where as here we've had zero.
This was posted four hours ago
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It was snowing in Zermatt steadily for last few days, while most of Valais received only some clouds. If only these snow could be moved to lower Valais! Looks like a road trip on Saturday morning is in order. 3-5 cm of dust forecast for Verbier is not worth getting out of bed for.
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| never summer wrote: |
| It was snowing in Zermatt steadily for last few days |
Are you sure about that? The live webcam at Findeln (2050cm) showed a dusting of about 1cm on Sunday, which then melted. Apart from that there's been nothing -the 251cm predicted by snow-forecast.com (with continuing snowfall of 26cm forecast for today, according to their 6am report) simply hasn't materialised at all.
Screen grab here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153149592575761&set=p.10153149592575761&type=1&theater
The same forecasters are predicting a fall of 126cm between Thursday and Sunday ("heavy snow" on Friday and Saturday) but Zermatt.ch reckon that Friday and Saturday will be dry ... according to this page: http://www.zermatt.ch/en/Weather-forecast . In fact, their prediction is that all those days will be dry.
Let's see what pans out this time.
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| Karl Marx wrote: |
| never summer wrote: |
| It was snowing in Zermatt steadily for last few days |
Are you sure about that? The live webcam at Findeln (2050cm) showed a dusting of about 1cm on Sunday, which then melted. Apart from that there's been nothing |
Findeln is south facing. The whole of that bit of the mountain has been large patches of green for most of the winter. That is not that unusual. It always amazes me they manage to keep the learner slopes down from Sunnegga through Findeln in such good condition all season given how the rest of that bit of the mountain tends to look.
All the snow these last few days has been coming from the south/south-west. I tend to look at the radar projections on Landi and Meteo. They only go out 33 hours max (sensibly). But they have consistently been showing the clouds getting as far as the Italy-Swiss ridge and not much creeping over even at the “low” point of Plateau Rosa at three and a half thousand metres. That has of course meant good stuff for Cervinia. Having said that some creeps over – it is currently snowing from Klein Matterhorn down to Trockener Stag with some making it over to Gornergrat. However, it is not making it as far north and low as Zermatt itself or Findeln.
I understand what those who have more knowledge about these things than me are saying about the run snow-forecast are picking up. But I share your surprise that that run has kept predicting a whole load of the good stuff making it over even on the day in question when the radars are showing it getting stuck.
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@JohnMo, you've made very interesting points and anyone who's skied Zermatt over the years (I first went there in about 1966) knows that it's in the 'snow shadow' of Cervinia in many storms.
With all its years of experience one would think that snow-forecast.com would understand the significance of this 'shadow' ... bearing in mind that for many people Zermatt is the world's most significant ski resort!
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