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Hey! Just a quick question! Have followed snowheads for a while and I find there is little on here about Brits taking Austrian exams apart from Anwaerter. Is there anyone out there who has gone further in the Austrian system and what they think about it? I myself am most of the way through Landes with only LS2 left to take.
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Skilehrer89
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I've considered it, but given the amount of teaching I do these days/plan to do in the future, I'm not convinced it's worthwhile (for me) to do. Like the idea of the alpine course though.
I do have a Welsh mate (works in Saalbach) who did it, can't think of any other Brits off the top of my head though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I've considered it, but given the amount of teaching I do these days/plan to do in the future, I'm not convinced it's worthwhile (for me) to do. Like the idea of the alpine course though.
I do have a Welsh mate (works in Saalbach) who did it, can't think of any other Brits off the top of my head though. |
Pleased to hear you don't consider the Welsh part of Britain, how about the Scots? Only joking!
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Um, it doesn't say that?
(new caps)
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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clarky999, Indeed. Can't see anything wrong with the way you wrote it? 
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A big blocker for most is the language...
You must have pretty efficient German to consider taking the course, rather than just the basic basics.
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My son did his Landes last season, and I think having the various parts in different resorts gave him a good breadth of knowledge of other areas. There is a strong encouragement in our ski school to progress and of course the money is better than his poor old Anwarter Mum gets! The theory did need adequate German, but not really any more than we were expected to have on the Anwarter - which was all in German, and rightly so. Best of luck with the rest of your Landes.
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I know a few people that have been through the Austrian system and at least one that have achieved the Staatlich. Not sure whether the others bothered going that far or just converted to BASI to finish their qualifications.
Everyone I know really rates the Austrian Instructing and Coaching system. Also the French offer a direct equivellance with the Austrian qualification so there shouldn't be any problem obtaining a carte pro if you want to work in France once you have your Staatlich.
Hope this helps
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Have to say I do rate the Austrian system very highly, the training for LS2 was simply superb, the standards very high indeed. I’ll make myself very popular and say BASI? Pah! Austrian all the way!
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Considered doing my Landes but decided against it. The schools near me were not offering much more per month if I got it, (worked out at like 50 months work to pay it off) so from a financial point it certainly wasn't worth it, which is important if it is going to be your actual job, I know lots of people who have invested 25k and more into qualifications etc. will argue this point but it's a business decision pure and simple.
Also, the relaxed nature in most Ösi resorts meant i was earning more every season and teaching advanced lessons most weeks despite only doing the Anwärter. Most were happy to ski with me and watch me teach to decide my standard instead of looking at the paper I held.
If the question is how does it compare to other level 2 stuff, it's excellent, the standard especially in Tirol is top knotch I understand why people often don't like it, generally i've found it very rigid and exact, often a little closed minded and out-dated but that doesn't disuade from the simple fact that it works very very well, plain and simple. That said I'm still dubious about the relevance of having to do a snowboard Anwärter with it (i know some places like Salzburg don't make you do this but the old school instructors will just treat you like a newby if you get it there)
2 pence thrown in
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I kind of did it the other way around. Started in Austria with the Anwarter in the 90s, switched to BASI and finished the ISTD. Recently registered back in Austria ( Using my ISTD) as a Staatlicher Diplom schilehrer ( in Tirol). I do speak german quite welll ( Family Austrian).
You can also look to get your level 3 ISIA BASI converted ( they will charge you just over €200 to look at your qualifications ).
I also joined Swiss Snowsports as an experiment but they can yet decide where I am in their system. Still waiting,
PSG
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You know it makes sense.
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I've worked with quite a few Austrian/Austrian qualified instructors from Anwarters up to Staatlich examiners. Seems to be a really solid system and well respected, the Landes instructors often get paid equivalent to level 3s from other systems. I don't think the pay in Austria is all that great though.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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jimmer, the full Landeslehrer (you get Landes 1 and Landes 2) is the same as level 3 in other systems as far as I'm aware. Pay... I don't know about full Landes, but in some places (St Anton, at least) as an Anwaerter you get €1300 a month, IF you get a full months work. Other places considerably less, I think in Saalbach it was €800-900, but I never actually worked a full month there.
gilleski, any plans to do the Skifuehrer course? Would be interested to hear exactly what it entails if so...
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Poster: A snowHead
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That doesn't sound too great, how many hours are in a 'full month'?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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jimmer, 4 hours a day 6 days a week (5 hours if with kids as lunch definitely still counts as work then!). So 100ish? I *think* (it's been awhile) you're supposed to get around €10 an hour. Minus 2/3 euros a night for accomm.
FWIW you get around €1200-1300 working 38.5 hours a week in a (normal) shop here (though you do then get 14 months salary a year). In practise I'm better off (and get more real ski time) working 20-25 hours a week in H&M than when I was ski instructing - especially when you factor in 5 weeks holiday (plus state holidays) to take as/when you choose... Still not really sustainable long-term though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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clarky999, so it seems like the thing to do would be to get the Landes, then go work somewhere else!
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In St Anton as a Anwarter you dont earn a huge amount, but as a full landes your pay is alot more, maybe 2000 a month. As someone already said though its also about how much work you can get :/
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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clarky999, seriously you earn the equivalent of over a grand a week working in a shop? Surely that's management? In the UK a retail worker would earn about £300 per week before tax. I guess the shops there must be bloody expensive to make any profit if they are paying the staff that much...
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queen bodecia, The way I read it, that's the monthly wage for that amount of hours per week.
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jimmer, that makes far more sense.
In fairness I have idly looked online for jobs in europe in my line of work and the salaries are generally rubbish, but maybe the cost of living is not as high as in the UK.
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Well, this is discussing my line of work, and wages seem to be way lower in Austria than where I work in Japan and Chile, but I figure Switzerland must pay better, and also France/Italy if you can get in.
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queen bodecia, jimmer, yeah that's per month (if only[!], though in the winter I only work part time anyway) 
jimmer, how much do you earn in those places (as base qually/level 3/etc)?
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clarky999, I won't say exactly, as it's very easy to see exactly which schools I work for on my blog, and it's kind of complicated by request rates and accommodation/food deals as well, but generally at least double the numbers you and other quoted for Austria. That's with my qual (NZ3) which is roughly equivalent to Landes, for lower quals in Japan level 1s get much less, but could probably still earn 1500 euros a month, in Chile, almost everyone is Level 3, so not really applicable.
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jimmer, sounds like you've got it good then!
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clarky999, yeah pretty much! Anyone with a L3 can walk into a job for that rate in Japan though, my ski school has expanded from 20 when I started 5 years ago to around 80 this coming season and there is a lot of turnover due to visas. Chile is tougher as you need Spanish, and the ski school only hires a few new instructors a year, I feel very lucky to have got a job here.
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Was wondering, a landes 1 is entitled to teach offpiste and freestyle stuff? Or is the same as in B.a.s.i., you get lv2 qualifocation and THEN you must attend mountan safety course and coaching course in order to do that.thanks!
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You know it makes sense.
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maddrifter, No.
Landes 1 is the first part of being a full Landesleher.
To be a full Landesleher you need L1 and L2 and then take the Alpin course.
The Alpin course is an off piste course. Not too hard and mainly about conditions and safety. (I haven't done it though - but plenty of friends have!)
Once you have the Alpin (even with only Landes 1) you can teach off-piste
I know this is an old thread but...
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That said I'm still dubious about the relevance of having to do a snowboard Anwärter with it (i know some places like Salzburg don't make you do this but the old school instructors will just treat you like a newby if you get it there)
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In Land Salzburg you do a snowboard Anwaerter (but with Ski Landes 1 students) before progressing on the L1 course.
But this is not an Anwaerter course in its own right but one for the L1 students.
The snowboard 'anwaerter' achieved isn't really a separate anwaerter but part of your L1.
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Thanks,
So there is not such a thing as landes1 for snowboard only?
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