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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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TechHead, Usually old mats are totally worn out before replacement, square metre @£150+ for dendix ultra thats why.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Cynic, how does that stack up against prosno, snowflex, neveplast - anyone know? I am aware that snowflex needs a lot of surface prep and layers. It looks like prosno and neveplast can be slapped over an existing base, similar to dendix?
Does neveplast need misting? again its really hard to find definite information? I did hear that neveplast is so slippy that a lot of existing dry slopes are too steep for average user.
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Everything needs mist (if you are going to ski on it in August) apart from Kleber which you coat with old engine oil, haven't seen any of it for 20 years.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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TechHead, I always felt that the best Dendix slopes were the ones with a lot of base preparation, Silksworth and Trawsfyndd were my favourites. The worst I ever used was at the Lecht, the matting was just thrown down on top of the heather.
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rjs, do they do prosno in green? (oops wrong thread  )
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Judging by the lack of answers either 1) snowheads don't care how much or 2) they simply don't know
I suspect the latter is correct, which suggests the pricing of artificial matting is a closely guarded secret
Why?
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TechHead,
Most people don't know & don't care probably unless they are in the market for some, like most products that aren't aimed at retailing to the general public probably the best way to find the answer is contact each company direct, obviously the more you want the better the deal you can strike.
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Why not contact your local dry slope and see if there's anyone there that can help you?
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TechHead, Ring up the companies yourself, I only know Dendex price 150-175. All prices will be conditional on how much you want to buy at a time? Colour? Distance for transport? Method of transport? Labour to unload? Do you want it laid by company? Etc. The information is not available for individual hypothesis if we do not know your parameters? I have acted as a negotiator for purchasing slope materials if you are interested PM me.
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Last quote I got for Dendix (top of range) was 175GBP per mat (mat is approx 1.4x1.8m) for 100. Colour was not a factor in price. Delivered and unlaoded on pallets.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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hmmm Dendix £150+ per mat new, so we have established that
What about the others............................
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| TechHead wrote: |
hmmm Dendix £150+ per mat new, so we have established that
What about the others............................ |
Others will be cheaper! 
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You know it makes sense.
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| gatecrasher wrote: |
| TechHead wrote: |
hmmm Dendix £150+ per mat new, so we have established that
What about the others............................ |
Others will be cheaper! |
No they will not be, particularly Snomat which was at one time £50 more than Dendex for same area.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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gatecrasher, Apologies I hadn't noticed. I'm afraid that anyone expecting to get market research information on what could be a 250K+ operation to re-mat a slope would be sadly disappointed.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Fascinating response point 2 theory proven
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Point 3 thirty proven also, techhead would rather blame snowheads for not knowing than finding out for himself
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not sure what make it is but there seems to be piles of the stuff on a hill near me in Sheffield 
thought about going and grabbing abit and making some kind of practice rail and run in but just need some space first
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chrisoconnell, what are the racing options for Proslope? While being general thumb-breakers, one thing the dendix holes have in their favour is easy positioning of slalom poles. How do you work around that?
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Since we laid the main slope at Snowtrax at Christchurch's accident rate has dropped by 90%.
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Yep, the mat at Christchurch is very good indeed (shame about the lift). If Southampton had the same surface it would be better than the 'indoor' slopes imho 
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| evski wrote: |
| chrisoconnell, what are the racing options for Proslope? While being general thumb-breakers, one thing the dendix holes have in their favour is easy positioning of slalom poles. How do you work around that? |
We've got an easy and effective gate holder that is simply screwed into the plastic base. We are however currently making some tweaks to it. I have to admit that because of the number of holes in Dendix you get more permutations. That can be offset though by using more gate holders and maximising the number of courses you can set.
There's a bit of footage on our promo vid of some gates and you can see at the beginning how it carves...
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Thanks, I'll have a look at the video.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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P.s., sounds like you've made a great product though, hope it goes well.
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Thanks!
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You know it makes sense.
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I belive snowflex is roughly twice the price of dendix
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Neveplast is 93 euros per sq metre. It's also the only surface "certified as having the same friction co-efficient as real snow". Although I've never used the surface myself, I do know the guys behind Neveplast UK, and the reason they got involved was because they tried it in Italy and were so impressed that they started bringing it to the UK to make the local dryslope better.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Neveplast is 40 year old technology, that the UK discarded along with other plastic injected materials: Bowmat, Ski Mat etc... Most people know the story of the surface at High Wycombe?
From experience they sound and ski like ice and being full of holes, are dangerous when you fall on them.
They do however have some good tubing products.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Chris, Neveplast is not the same as those older products that you are thinking of.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| chrisoconnell wrote: |
| Neveplast is 40 year old technology, that the UK discarded along with other plastic injected materials |
The company producing it is only 26 years old, and patented it after being formed.
I think you are remembering some other product.
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The injection moulded 'technology' is 40 years old as is 'Dendix' type steel mesh material.
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The plastic used might just have changed slightly in the 40 years which would affect slipperiness, grip, noise etc so it's not valid to dismiss something without trying it. After all, the basic technology for car engines is still the same as 40 years ago, but the difference is vast. Maybe a better analogy would be that a lot of tyres look very simmilar, but different compounds and subtle changes to tread pattern casue huge differences in performance. Also the slope usage stats that I saw appear to show that injuries from the holes are very rare, possibly because the holes are much smaller.
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Oh I agree with your analogy Simon and that difference in demonstrated with Proslope. For our centre in Cornwall we set out to find a suitable material a number of years ago. Everyone we spoke to said Dendix for racing and Snowflex for freestyle. So I thought why can't you have the two combined? The best of carpet and mesh in one with a nice shock cushion in case of falls.
With regards to Neveplast I have tried it, we considered it for Cornwall and dismissed it immediately. I personally didn't like it to ski on - like ice... and it's not nice to fall on as my co-director found out. I also have a sample of it that I show to potential clients.
From a business perspective, apart from a tubing run, in the UK, injection moulded surfaces have failed to capture any market enthusiasm and don't have any reference points to demonstrate to potential investors any ROI, let alone meaningful safety stats across all disciplines - not just tubing!
There is no competition as far as I'm concerned - but then, hands up - I'm biased...
So I prefer to leave it to people like Eric Davies, Warren Smith and others, that say, 'Proslope is the closest artificial surface to real snow' and with the staggering increase in business and decrease in accidents - everyone's a winner!!!
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FAQ
no blame attached though so please dont lie awake 
