 Poster: A snowHead
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...a genuine new thread....
Last week, Plaine Morte Tubang piste, uncrowded, good viz, new snow, going down with my 8 year old carefully wiggling down a very straight line then GAPOW - a 60 something fat guy hits me full on from behind - I go straight out of my bindings and slam down on my left shoulder, tearing various parts of the rotator cuff and wrecking some tendons - my back protector and helmet meant no other injuries - 60+ guy recovers and immediately skis off fast as he can, leaving me and my youngster to get off the piste and get down; some 8km. Buggered if I was going in a blood wagon, but boy that was a painful descent. Two days off, then max druggage (amazing Olfen patches) and physio to get at least some skiing in. Back home now and cursing.
But I sure became aware of a lot of older, unfit guys who maybe one day had fast reactions but have no longer, going way too fast. This class of skier, once fit, once highly tuned, needs to recognise what they now are.
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valais2, he sounds like a first class to$$er 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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valais2, Hope it all heals up quickly. What a tosser indeed.
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valais2, sorry to hear and hope you get well soon. Shoulders can be a booger
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The Flying Gooseberry, many thanks - having broken shoulders on previous occaions (once my fault, once not) it's vital to move the thing as much as possible. Today I'm working on getting the reaction time back by playing catch with juggling balls with my young one. looks like skiing this weekend might be possible....
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valais2, great, but be careful - guess it would hurt horribly to fall on it!  (Looks like another season is going to go by without my re-visiting Crans, btw. One day...)
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valais2, very sorry to hear that indeed and very best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery and I am very glad that the fat old idiot did not hit your child as that could have been very much worse as happened to my friend's daughter last season
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Sounds like the start of a bash the fat people thread.....this could be fun. My wife getting hit by a skinny guy cancels your fat guy. Actually no you still have it points as you were sadly injured. Hope that gets better soon
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I bawled out a skinny kid who nearly took my daughter out at a crossing, he was coming down and ignored the slow signs and missed her by mm.
No idea what nationality him or his parents were, but I flipped at his lack of piste sense. I think he got the message and his mum seemed to be giving him what for as I left.
Sorry to hear about crash, skiing off was very poor form. Unfortunately genuine accidents and collisions will occur always.
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The Flying Gooseberry, Crans is much improved, new pistes at Toula and the new Coupe de Monde Femme piste. Excellent snowmaking this Christmas (after the chaos of too much snow in '11-12 and '12-13) - and the interlinking off piste still fab. The gorgeous Chantelle now runs La Cure at Aminona, and Chetzeron one of the best high restaurants in the region, I reckon.
But I now wonder about piste patrols. I previously have thought that they are a needless extension of central power, but now I wonder whether they are needed to curb bad behaviour. Anybody know of research comparing collision rates in patrolled and non-patrolled contexts?
Last edited by Ski the Net with snowHeads  on Sun 5-01-14 19:25; edited 1 time in total
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valais2, I MUST go back one day (best save up the pennies for that, methinks.  )
Don't know of any piste patrol research. I'm all for freedom, but still wouldn't mind seeing some patrols.
Last edited by snowHeads are a friendly bunch. on Sun 5-01-14 19:25; edited 1 time in total
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Boris, ...that sounds like a good outcome ie glad he missed and glad he got solid feedback.
jirac18, ....yes...actually this is an explicit criticism of older guys who were once excellent, but who now ski outside their envelope of reaction and control. As I get older, I recognise that I need to compensate for slowing reactions, and deliberately do lots of sport off season to keep my reaction speeds up.
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The Flying Gooseberry, when we used to go to Steamboat they had piste patrols at the slower runs coming into resort at end of day and would deal harshly with muppets
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You know it makes sense.
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Boris, yeah, the only place I've seen this is in North America. It's a good idea, I reckon.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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valais2, sorry to hear about your accident.
Anyway just a thought, but...
In terms of enforcing strict discipline could it be feasible to use the chip in ski passes to record speeds in certain areas (eg on learner pistes). If someone exceeds the speed limit then they would have this data fed to the lift system when they next tried to use a lift which would disable their pass for half an hour.
Then if they did it again it would alert one if a number of drones kept on permanent station above the resort who would then come down to give a recorded warning to the skier.
And then if they didn't listen they would have a hellfire...
Oops went too far...
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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valais2, all the fat old sh's are cowering in a corner awaiting a telling off. I feel sorry for your accident but is this not another generalistic finger pointing thread?......did the fat old toss pot have a helmet on?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| The Flying Gooseberry wrote: |
| Don't know of any piste patrol research. I'm all for freedom, but still wouldn't mind seeing some patrols. |
Me too, including "plain clothes" patrollers who were specifically looking for examples of dangerous skiing.
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If an injury occurs and you report it to the police then in most resorts they can narrow down who the possible culprits are from who went up the ski lift servicing that slope. They know the date of birth and in many types of lift pass also have a photo. If you know the rough time you are hit then it can narrow down to a small number.
Only if you report it and it is quite a serious injury.
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| emwmarine wrote: |
| ...many types of lift pass also have a photo. |
they do? 
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rob@rar, interesting ... this year I saw a level of bad behaviour which I have seldom seen in previous years - maybe just a coincidence, since of course it is only me looking at what I can see, with no objective base. But I am beginning to think that this kind of patrol approach would be a good idea.
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New year week is without doubt the worst week in this respect
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valais2 that sounds absolutely horrible. When we were in Breckenridge last year they had speed police out on the green and blue runs. I have to say the only people I saw them stop were the ones who were skiing way too fast, not looking fully in control and deserved to have lift their passes removed. People skiing faster but clearly in control were not stopped that I saw.
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I was out in vallandry before Christmas when I friend was taken out by a flying snowplougher down Renard. We were station at the side, luckily no injuries but it was obvious they should still be on a nursery slope until they had learnt to turn! Worst bit, is the learner was British and thought it was funny that she had gone into someone
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Sorry to hear that, and hope that you are on the mend; at least it wasn`t your daughter. My son, a competent skier, was cut up by a 50 something male 3 weeks ago in Montgenevre, whilst on his 4 week of snowboarding. He flicked backwards, taking a blow on his helmet, and was knocked out for a few seconds. The guy skied on, although I had noticed him earlier as he was conspicuously unaware of others around him. End result was that the 15 yr old lad really lost his confidence, and had a headache all over Christmas.
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I tripped over my own pole while trying to unwrap a mars bar before Christmas in Val Thorens.
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You know it makes sense.
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I'm just back from two weeks of skiing in Austria and didn't see any collisions on the piste. But in the resorts I was in there were very few British skiers and lots of Germans, Austrians and Dutch. Only anecdata I know but my impression is that British skiers are more likely to be out of control than others.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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cstreat, ...that sounds worse than mine - I would worry about loss of consciousness in a person of that age, having done some research on head injury I now take concussions rather more seriously than I did when I was a youth. Appalling that the guy didn't stop if he was aware that an incident had occurred, but that seems all too common. I understand entirely your young one's loss of confidence; this recent incident of mine has really knocked my own.
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| Valkyrie wrote: |
| ... Only anecdata I know but my impression is that British skiers are more likely to be out of control than others. |
From what I've read here, that may be because they're extremely well insured and like to ski whilst drunk. Oh, they all have helmets though: they're not stupid or anything.
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Valkyrie, I skied Kronplatz and Sölden a few times, neither of which host many Brits, but I've seen more than my fair share of Germans and Dutch skiing home plastered after aprés on the hill.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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With so many over crowded slopes resembling Dodgem Rinks it's not surpising that crashes are happening.Nowhere to run to and nowhere to hide.
Add alcohol to 'Getoutofmywayordie' Mindsets and the recipe ingredients are in the mix for multi Incidents (not accidents).
I am no fan of crowded Pistes.
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valais2,
That does not sound like fun at all, cuff injuries are literally a pain.
I know we shouldn't encourage American style litigation but how many of you, if you got the culprits name etc.
Would try and go for some sort of legal damages thingy ?
I would but then my career depends on me being medically fit.
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If we're talking about nationality, then I see no more British out of control and too fast skiers (as far as one can tell obviously) than any other nationality. Same goes for fat and/or old
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The thing that bugs me is when lots of people sko past someone who is injured instead of stopping to see if they are okay or directing traffic past.
At cairngorm last week a girl was lying on the ground helmet off and holding her head. She was wiped out by a fellow snowboarder straightlining down a crowded piste at the side 2x faster than anyone else.
I stopped but about 40 other people whizzed on by.
I think it is time that behaviour rules are handed out with lift passes now.
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| glasgowcyclops wrote: |
| I stopped but about 40 other people whizzed on by. |
Years ago in Vail I stopped by someone who was standing next to someone lying in the snow, who turned out to be his friend who had (I think) had a heart attack. Someone else had already gone for help so I just stood by until they arrived. I wasn't helping but stayed in case I could. Absolutely nobody else stopped until 10 minutes later the patrol arrived, whereupon a massive crowd of rubber-neckers instantly materialised.
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valais2, wish you a good recovery of your injuries and your confidence. A few years ago, my son and I went to the Sierra Nevada in Spain, for a kind of memorial week, as he'd learned to ski there as a child. We were amazed at how the small resort had been developed since our last visit, and to keep the numbers to a safe level on the slopes, the tourist office only sold a limited number of ski lift passes each day. However, a few seconds after I got off the chair lift on our first day, barely skied onto the piste when I was crashed into by a beginner, a young woman, with such force that I was totally winded and had a few threadbreaks of my ribs... so the rest of the week was in pain and not up to sking...never returned to Sierra Nevada since.
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Age has nothing to do with it. This 60 something guy was knocked flying by a young boarder who hit me straight from behind. The ski which came off was a good 20ft up the slope, and the boarder came to a halt a good 20 ft below me. so he must have been motoring. He gave me a look which said it was my fault for being in his way. His friend, who was going at a more sensible speed stopped and picked up my ski and was suitably apologetic on the other's behalf. Both were Brits btw.
I had slowed down because the piste was crowded with classes and children. But I guess the moral is that had I carried on going fast he would not have hit me.
Incidentally, in case anyone wonders, I was doing short-radius turns down the fall-line, so my direction and position were totally predictable. No injuries, luckily.
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