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The All New 18/19 Weather Outlook Thread

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@polo, enjoying your blah, blah, blah.
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will be interesting to see how this pink tip ofthe wedge thats over the alps pans out into December
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@noz good to know....realise it's probably OTT for vast majority, but as we don't have a solid agreement beyond a few days (when do we ever?), thought I'd look more into ECM ens. GFS has been showing the potential that's out there....great synoptics for time of year etc....we just need one of them to get things funky

@mountainaddict it's going to snow next week somewhere in europe, guaranteed. Details not out yet Cool
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Graphs....squiggles....UKMO in the middle at 144.....pregnancy ultrasounds at the bottom of the last post.... Puzzled

All I want to know is when's it gonna ****ing snow?! Laughing



http://youtube.com/v/_QNYj61wMRI
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Out to Friday on 12z GFS.

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Livigno looking like a good bet for some early turns (swipe to the video).
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Hurray snow for the Pennines Laughing
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Some exceptionally cold temperatures being forecast on 18z GFS, but for now snowfall forecast remains light.
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Snow depth forecast to take us up to 1st Dec
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Snow depth forecast to take us up to 1st Dec...


I don't care if it's FI, I like it.
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Snowing at Luzhba Skitouring Lodge and temps circa minus 10 according to their Instagram and video posted Cool

"Snowing hard (10 cm per hour!) at #LuzhbaSkitouringLodge. Very excited about tomorrow. Stay tuned!"


https://www.instagram.com/p/BqNnTbnFYrF/?r=mg1&fbclid=IwAR1LoMqxNiQH-FDjhTyISU21wr7lk6P9vKe-8I9ro6udzu7crCoMVnquKa8

Now all we need is our guide Sad
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Forecast snowfall amounts still swinging back and forth. 06z blankets Eastern Europe.

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GFS 06z tears the polar vortex apart in FI.



And casts Europe into the deep freeze.



Usual caveats apply obviously, but whilst the details shift it’s a pattern that is cropping up fairly persistently.
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Matt Hugo on Twitter.

“06Z GFS, yet again, getting into the Friday feeling with another crazy run with a well established Greenland blocking regime as a deep cold pool floods S and W by Wed 28th. Building blocks for this evolution though are in place from around the 24th onwards. Still a long time away”
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12z GFS doesn’t go down the same extreme path in FI, but does still see a good covering of snow and low temperatures in the medium term.
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In the next five days slightly below average temperatures look likely along with light snowfall early next week.

Here is how WRF sees it out to midweek. The snowfall pattern could still shift quite a bit.

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Brrrrr cold today ❄️ Snow cannons running full gas here for the first time.

Looking good for the Dolomites!

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In the next five days slightly below average temperatures look likely along with light snowfall early next week.

Here is how WRF sees it out to midweek. The snowfall pattern could still shift quite a bit.



According to this map Obergurgl should be getting some 50-60cm, however both Bergfex and Snow-Forecast are only predicting a "light" 10cm?
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@südtirolistdeutsch, just shows the degree of uncertainty.
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UK due a sprinkle next week.

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East and West US off to a flyer.

Copper Mountain, Colorado, has had one of its best and earliest starts of all time.

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@südtirolistdeutsch, just shows the degree of uncertainty.

The GFs op run has been swinging all over the place after the 27th.
All options is still on the table!
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In reality Western US currently suffering from a significant snow deficit compared to average (eastern Colorado excepted).

https://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/data/water/wcs/gis/maps/west_swepctnormal_update.pdf
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In reality Western US currently suffering from a significant snow deficit compared to average (eastern Colorado excepted).

https://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/data/water/wcs/gis/maps/west_swepctnormal_update.pdf


This just a normal product of El Niño? Looks like AZ/NM is doing quite good too
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Bloody cold here now. -2°C today in Ötz (we were kayaking rolling eyes). Hopefully get the skis out tomorrow for the first time this season*!

*polo oops!


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for the first time this year!


You missed a great Jan-Mar then Smile

Been a bit of inversion around, cooler surface temps below the fog trapped in the valleys, blue skies above. Sun is still very strong though. ECM hinting at those N / NE winds at the end of it's 12z run. Given that it has handled the high block very well so far, it's gotta be a good step. FV3 still putting out great FI charts, but the whole GFS suite is almost becoming tiring this month as none of the FI charts have delivered so far. The current NH set up is still really good though.
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For what it’s worth, GFS 18z predicting major PV disruption over Europe for early December
https://twitter.com/ali68500786/status/1063945936722948100?s=21
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^^^ Er...is that good or bad Puzzled
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@mountainaddict, that's usually good!
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It is however quite different on this evening’s 12z which has more of an Atlantic feel to it in FI. Then again FI.
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^^^ Er...is that good or bad Puzzled

Having such a disrupted PV (-AO, massive low over Europe, Greenland blocking) is pretty much always great if I'm not mistaken.
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It is however quite different on this evening’s 12z which has more of an Atlantic feel to it in FI. Then again FI.

What's FI? Can't find anything on google
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Fantasy Island, means past the reliable timeframe
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^^^ Er...is that good or bad Puzzled

Having such a disrupted PV (-AO, massive low over Europe, Greenland blocking) is pretty much always great if I'm not mistaken.


To be honest it can be a bit mixed. It is likely to lead to a very blocked set up which would likely lead to a -NAO. In this case you could well see temperatures plunge across Europe and snowfall to low levels in places which don’t normally see it (eg the UK). However, it can also cut off the Atlantic leading to much drier conditions in the Alps. So it’s certainly interesting and can lead to very cold temperatures, but that doesn’t always mean heavy snow for the Alps. It depends a bit...
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mountainaddict wrote:
^^^ Er...is that good or bad Puzzled

Having such a disrupted PV (-AO, massive low over Europe, Greenland blocking) is pretty much always great if I'm not mistaken.


To be honest it can be a bit mixed. It is likely to lead to a very blocked set up which would likely lead to a -NAO. In this case you could well see temperatures plunge across Europe and snowfall to low levels in places which don’t normally see it (eg the UK). However, it can also cut off the Atlantic leading to much drier conditions in the Alps. So it’s certainly interesting and can lead to very cold temperatures, but that doesn’t always mean heavy snow for the Alps. It depends a bit...

If such a disrupted PV over Europe isn't completely ideal what is? What would it take to have the fantasy ideal of lots of snow falling to low levels across the Alps and Europe as a whole?
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@südtirolistdeutsch, it’s more a question of how long it lasts and how it evolves. If you look at 2010/11 it produced extreme cold, but was very poor for snow in the northern Alps.
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first the cold air and than the wet atlantic fronts = snow? Or only in the western Alps?

Mediterranean wet front going north hitting the cold air = snow in Dolomities? (remember BB, luckily we came the week after -perfect)

How do I get Snow in the north eastern Alps with this PV dis. Puzzled
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@südtirolistdeutsch, it’s more a question of how long it lasts and how it evolves. If you look at 2010/11 it produced extreme cold, but was very poor for snow in the northern Alps.

I just checked the snow history of Lech and onthesnow says it received only 24"in 10/11?!?! In comparison 12/13 got 244"? It wasn't this extreme was it?
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