 Poster: A snowHead
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rob@rar, sounds rather like my approach.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well that's as compromised as we are ever gonna get! 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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akirk, aww...now you've gone and spoilt all the fun. What are we gong to discuss now?
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Helmets are great as a way of parking your goggles without them steaming up.
The idea, often peddled in the press, (well the D*** M***, for example) that they are the be-all and end-all of safety is plainly ridiculous. Wearing a polystyrene tortoise on your head will not help in the slightest if you pile into a tree at full whack or go over a cliff.
What is there to get so het up about?
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| akirk wrote: |
| - Are helmets an aid to safety? Yes |
And there's the problem, that's how they are described and sold, like they actually make you safe. They don't stop anything happening, they are just there after it's all gone wrong. ABS brakes on a car stop it going into a skid (an aid to safety), but the crumple zones are there after it's all gone wrong. A helmet is a crumple zone, that's all. The safety device is your decision making. Otherwise I agree.
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Well said Chris Bish, we all know there are risks involved in any sports and pass times that take us to the mountains in winter but last time I checked there are risks involved in pretty much everything we do. Lets stop arguing and let everyone take responsibility for their own actions and choices!
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Bode Swiller,
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T Bar, where am I arguing against helmets?
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If I misinterpreted you I apologise but I took from your comment that
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average speed of a skier on a normal piste is more like 30kmh or more. Helmets are sold as a solution but in reality they are sticking plasters.
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Was meaning that helmets were not useful above this speed which is basically bollocks, however as you do not mean this then my remarks are less relevant but the speed of the average skier is not of itself a reason to reject or promote helmets.
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Fact is, by the time your head is making contact with the tree, it's already too late - either you are toast or your life will never be the same.
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However if there is a helmet between you and the tree you are distinctly less likely to have a significant head injury, they are potentially useful. I am just seriously sceptical about using them myself as I don't in any other situation in which there is a measurable but very small chance of getting a head injury such as getting out of bed in the morning, more important things to worry about (but not to argue about occasionally on snowheads.
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Every now and then I dip into this thread to see if there is any news about how MS is doing....... 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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It has got slightly sidetracked hasn't it. Mind you the lack of info re Schuey would make this a very empty thread otherwise.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| JLB wrote: |
| Mind you the lack of info re Schuey would make this a very empty thread otherwise. |
That would be an improvement.
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| pam w wrote: |
| Every now and then I dip into this thread to see if there is any news about how MS is doing....... |
You should know better
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You know it makes sense.
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Gary Hartstein (former F1 doctor) tweeted this earlier.
@former_f1doc: I still think at this stage the only publicly significant news would be bad, so yes, no news is still good news
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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nozawaonsen, thanks.
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Poster: A snowHead
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pam w, you might fare better on a news site. He's stable but critical - seems to be the official line.
T Bar, if the blurry video taken by the flight attendant is analysed and they determine MS was only travelling at 12mph as reported, I think as few people will sit up and think differently about what degree of protection their lid actually gives them.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Bode Swiller, Id still rather head butt a rock with a helmet on rather than off
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Shimmy Alcott, me too. Why would you find it necessary to head butt a rock though?
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Bode Swiller, I never said it was necessary
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I think it might be useful when the scenery decides to head-butt you. It happened to me on the glacier at Tignes. Not my idea at all....
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| Bode Swiller wrote: |
| akirk wrote: |
| - Are helmets an aid to safety? Yes |
And there's the problem, that's how they are described and sold, like they actually make you safe. They don't stop anything happening, they are just there after it's all gone wrong. ABS brakes on a car stop it going into a skid (an aid to safety), but the crumple zones are there after it's all gone wrong. A helmet is a crumple zone, that's all. The safety device is your decision making. Otherwise I agree. |
Fair point and good comparison...
maybe I should have said...
Are helmets an aid to getting back to the chalet safely (after all they are very effective at the bar on the way back as well!)
or
Are helmets an aid to less injury...
Alasdair
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Could a mod please rename this thread, cos it sure as hell is not about MS and his accident anymore. How about 'the most boring thread ever', or 'don't read this shite you'll die of boredom' or something to indicate that this thread is full of the biggest pile of crap I have ever had the misfortune to read.
Please?
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emwmarine, bruisedskier, micky,
Got this from a book called the 'Sporting Gene' which I have just started (gave it to husband for Christmas). Its quite interesting. Apparently if under the type of pressure micky, describes we all have the same 9give or take ) reaction time, sportspeople are no different. But they are more versed in reading cues. Apparently professional ball teams (baseball , softball, cricket) no longer practice with machines or limit their practice because of this. And bizarrely top pro baseball batters can hit a pro baseball pitcher's ball well but if faced with a top underarm female softball bowler they just can't hit it (despite the fact its something like 30mph slower). Apparently the time taken for a baseball to reach the batter is less than the reaction time! But show a batter a video whre the ball has been removed and they all get it right
Agree with emwmarine, in that cues in some sports would be translatable to others but I don't expect that's true from motor racing to skiing.
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btw,Any modification to the shell of a helmet (such as dilling holes for attaching headcams,etc) compromises the integral strength of the shell.
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Which is another reason to not put a camera on a helmet...
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| cc_7up wrote: |
| btw,Any modification to the shell of a helmet (such as dilling holes for attaching headcams,etc) compromises the integral strength of the shell. |
do people really drill holes?
my go pro came with a sticky pad clip thingy for attachment...
or a chest harness
or a helmet strap thing
or 300 other methods of attaching - none of which need a drill...
Alasdair
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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Just saw this thread has exploded to 15 pages!, which means there was an petty argument (or 2) in it.... without wasting my time heading back I shall assume at least 13 of the previous pages are just the "helmets are pointless" argument?
Suggestion for the admin: please could you make a new conversation category "only for Helmets!" that way I can find out how people are doing after ANY serious injury!
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do people really drill holes?
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Yep
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shall assume at least 13 of the previous pages are just the "helmets are pointless" argument?
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Yep
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You know it makes sense.
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Just re-igniting the sub-thread about "change your helmet after each knock". I used to play American football, in which the number of helmet-2-helmet and helmet-2-ground collisions per game for a wide player would be in double figures, whereas for the linemen it would approach 50. We didn't have to replace our helmets during a game, or even after each game.. in fact, we'd probably go 2 or 3 seasons before considering a new "lid". We were also able to take major impacts without loss of consciousness. So why aren't people using American Football helmets when they ski?
Conversely, many people would wear neck-rolls to help stabilise the neck, since it was a "weak point" in the body when the additional weight of a helmet was added to the head... whereas in Skiing I've not yet seen anyone wearing a neck-roll to help counter this issue.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Poster: A snowHead
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| ansta1 wrote: |
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do people really drill holes?
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Yep
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shall assume at least 13 of the previous pages are just the "helmets are pointless" argument?
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Not equite - 6.5 are "helmets are pointless", 6.5 are "helmets should always be worn"
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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This morning's use of the phrase "sky slope" is pasted here for archival purposes.
I imagine they will deny that this is product placement.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| jamescollings wrote: |
Conversely, many people would wear neck-rolls to help stabilise the neck, since it was a "weak point" in the body when the additional weight of a helmet was added to the head... whereas in Skiing I've not yet seen anyone wearing a neck-roll to help counter this issue. |
Neck braces in downhill/freeride mountain biking are reasonably polpular amongst the luminous pyjama wearing crowd, or were last I checked (which is a couple of years ago now).
In fact the arguments around whether they are a good idea or not are identical to the helmets in skiing arguments. Same with pretty much all other safety devices (e.g., seatbelts when they were first introduced, motorbike helmets and so on and so on, for ever...).
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"Warning signage on ski slope under scrutiny"
Ffs, does that mean they are trying to get an angle to sue Meribel resort !?
If so can you imagine the consequences...
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2planks, it will be just one of many things being considered. Netting, warning signs and barriers at our resort were altered following my husband's accident. I have no idea if it was as a direct result of it, but it was at the precise spot his accident occurred, and had the barrier been in place at the time he probably wouldn't have been hit.
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"Warning signage on ski slope under scrutiny"
Ffs, does that mean they are trying to get an angle to sue Meribel resort !?
If so can you imagine the consequences... |
This would be nonsense. Anything beyond the groomed piste is off-piste, unpatrolled and unmarked ... by European convention. By leaving the groomed snow, Michael Schumacher took his own chances.
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Why do people complain about the content of this thread, rather than simply stop reading it?
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Comedy Goldsmith, which is what the press report I read earlier in French paper was saying.
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xyzpaul, I dont actually see a problem with the content of this thread. Its not like people are being really mean, nasty and spiteful about MS.
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