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Comedy Goldsmith, WGAS. I mean WGAS really...
I skied (remember doing that?), talked and dined with Neil Britten a year ago in St Anton, and I am pretty sure he wanted some major web, forum and club changes himself. I have met few nicer blokes. Not a patrician posh bloke, not blind to the faults of the SCGB and very keen to know where it was going wrong.
I think you linking his departure to the re-opening of the forum to the public is truly in the tradition of incorrect conclusions and snide assertions based on little evidence that so glorifies UK "Journalism".
So nothing new then...
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Nasty little accident ... but someone should tell her Nyon is a bit low for good skiing. That's the problem of relying on books ..
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
In fact, the Club has been sued repeatedly for off-piste incidents, discussed repeatedly over the past decade.
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References please.
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| PJSki wrote: |
| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
In fact, the Club has been sued repeatedly for off-piste incidents, discussed repeatedly over the past decade.
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References please. |
Popcorn please... 
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Comedy Goldsmith, you know exactly why MO day really happened. People on committees have to stick to the agreed line. That's the real world for people who manage to work with other people. And maybe, for the reasons you are aware of, it was actually a legal imperative and legal advice told him that?
You implying that the opening of the forum is made possible by his departure is nasty and unworthy of you. I ask you to retract or give evidence of direct causation. But I wonder if you have the cojones do do that?
Any way - as a non-member - I'm out of this one.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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| stoat of the dead wrote: |
| Comedy Goldsmith, you know exactly why MO day really happened.. |
And for the rest of us Stoatie whats your take on the reason?
I've read 14 pages of this make it spicey.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
| References please. |
The last thing I'd do is give you references. |
You having pork pies again for supper?
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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betterinblack, It's history and tedious and better left lie. Neither a person I believe CG knows quite well, nor the ski club come out of it that well.
But seeing CG slag off by name a perfectly decent bloke 8 years down the line with snide asides and no evidence just rather annoys me. It's a dirty tabloid journalist's trick.
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| stoat of the dead wrote: |
betterinblack, It's history and tedious and better left lie. Neither a person I believe CG knows quite well, nor the ski club come out of it that well.
But seeing CG slag off by name a perfectly decent bloke 8 years down the line with snide asides and no evidence just rather annoys me. It's a dirty tabloid journalist's trick. |
Agreed. A blatant attempt to plant a falsehood into the public consciousness through deception, in my opinion.
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You know it makes sense.
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Oh good grief, the arѕe grape's back . . .
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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ohh gawd, nothing changes here (should not have peeked-in here!) , raking all over this ancient history. We done this to death in 2004 DG - this is major trolling and serving no purpose).
I thought the subject matter was the SCGB chat forum.
I'm off! ( see you all over in LinkedIn/Twitter/etc.. ) Adios.
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Poster: A snowHead
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good job I'm not a mod. the ban hammer would be coming out as well as the loctite.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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hibernia, welcome back (even if it was only briefly).
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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What is SCGB ?
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Timberwolf, A terrible affliction. The treatment involves a SOH bypass.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Masque wrote: |
| Timberwolf, A terrible affliction. The treatment involves a SOH bypass. |
SOH?
Snowheads Other Half?
Skiclub Offers Help?
Skiing Over Hills?
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JohnHSmith, Sense Of Humour.
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rob@rar, oh, I don't have one of those
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JohnHSmith, neither do many here . . . 
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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JohnHSmith, 
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hibernia, to be fair - this is just one thread...theres a big wide SH World beyond here 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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See you around Joe... 
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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As he's not skiing this year, he didn't renew his membership. I see that, yet again, no stone was turned in your search for the version of the 'truth' you wanted to find.
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Poster: A snowHead
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wasn't the hearing today?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I'm pretty sure that there is an option to 'ignore this thread' or is that just wishful thinking? I've had a look at the top and bottom of this page but can't see it. Is it somewhere really obvious? Or am I misremembering that it is possible?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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JohnHSmith, just wishful thinking. Just ignore user with the + symbol on the left
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
| PJSki wrote: |
| References please. |
The references you're requesting are to personal injury law cases, concerning off-piste leadership, which the SCGB has been defending over the past decade. Only one - the fatal incident in Verbier - has been aired. This has been pursued by Swiss prosecutors and is therefore not a civil case. Another case, which had some connection (as I saw it) with MO Day, involved a British skier in a SCGB group in North America. The papers on that would be subject to legal privilege unless the claimant wanted to air the matter.
We now have the ESF, determined to shut down hosting and other unqualified (as they see it) leading in French resorts. The SCGB has linked itself with UK tour operators to defend the action. But the SCGB has also strongly argued that its leaders are a cut above tour operator hosts (which they are).
Now, suppose Le Ski lose their case (which most British skiers hope does not happen). Where does that leave the Ski Club? Could it have presented a stronger case independently? Should it spend members' money on all this?
These are perennial avoidable issues ... as snowHeads has proven, by being in the communication and publishing business and staying very very close to skier's concerns. This is no different to how the SCGB started out in 1903, and continued for half its life, until it became ingrained in avoidable complications! |
You have only referenced one PI case. But you claimed the club had been repeatedly sued. Once again you have been a lot less than truthful.
Pork pie, anyone?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Comedy Goldsmith,
Do you think Neil Armstrong really walked on the moon?
Do you think Prince Phillip murdered Princess Di?
Do you think that aluminium foil hat you wear to prevent people intercepting your thoughts really works?
You are making huge leaps of deduction based on chronology. It might help if you had spoken to Mr Britten about the forum in the last year before you blamed him for a delay in it becoming open. I have, I don't think you have. I don't think you are correct or fair to draw your conclusions about the events of 2012. And you know more about 2004 than you are choosing to let on.
For what it's worth I told him I thought there was little point in the SCGB forum becoming open again, as sH had taken its place.
What I can't understand is why you just can't let go. You don't like stuff the club has done, perhaps dislike the way it has treated you, have little insight into just how much of a pain to so many you used to be on the SCGB forum. You don't seem to like or trust the reps, the council, the officers. Why don't you just leave the club?!
Anyway, can we go back to the light frothy DG of a few weeks ago?
Please?
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| Comedy Goldsmith wrote: |
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| You have only referenced one PI case. |
One personal injury case, one prosecution concerning a fatality. I know of another PI case in the 1990s, and we know that there have been 3 fatalities relating to SCGB off-piste leading since 1989 (those I know of). Admittedly, I've been out of touch with this area of activity for many years, but would be able to check with my contacts to see what else has come up. We know that skiing generates more and more litigation, and it's directed at those who provide services which can result in injury or death. The potential exposure of the SCGB to litigation is continuous, and my fear is that one day there will be a really major incident (not necessarily that remote from the piste).
Doug Sager, a distinguished Verbier-based ski writer, wrote the following in 1989, after the avalanche death of 24-year-old Michael Mahaffy in a SCGB group. Clearly the strength of his words is his own, not mine:
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| The SCGB argues that the best mountain guides are often not available for day trips off piste. This is true. But after observing SCGB reps and tour company "ski guides" off piste in Verbier for the past six years, it is my opinion that all such unofficial "guides" are a public menace ... When it comes to avalanches, nothing is so important as long term local knowledge ... The SCGB insists on calling its personnel "representatives", hoping to avoid legal repercussions associated with the word "guide" [SCGB reps are now called 'leaders'] But when a SCGB "rep" leads a party of skiers off piste, no wordplay can disguise the fact that he is taking on the responsibilities, moral and legal, of a guide. |
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| Caroline Stuart-Taylor, the SCGB executive in charge of ski reps, told me the SCGB will continue to lead parties off piste without certified guides |
[Source: Skiing UK magazine, Summer 1989, page 69]
Note the chronology here: One year later (1990), CST left the SCGB to found Freshtracks. Freshtracks groups were (as far as I'm aware) led off-piste by qualified guides.
This is a very long story, and logic suggests that it can only ultimately be resolved in one way ... perhaps ultimately under pressure from the Club's insurers, if it isn't local mountain authorities. As I've previously pointed out, the SCGB could so easily have become BASI and maybe also a guide-qualifying body from the early 1960s. Recognised transferable qualifications are really the only qualifications for off-piste leadership. |
As I thought, nothing to backup your statement that the club has been continually sued over injuries sustained during off-piste leading. Their record speaks for itself, one avalanche death in 110 years.
And three deaths you say? List them.
It seems to be, once again, reality vs your wild imagination.
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Also, the recent prosecution was of the Leader not the club, with all costs covered by insurance. Hardly the picture you paint of members' money being blown on legal fees.
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