 Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I've been with other, experienced, skiers who have refused to go on a t bar with anyone else.
My wife would even accompany me when I skied a monoski. It was brave of her as I usually fell off
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| zikomo wrote: |
| @turms2, You need to try the glacier t-bar in Saas Fee. When your youngest kid begs to go with Daddy. 2370m long with the T-bar just below knee height. Hell on earth. |
I'm surprised you weren't encouraging the kid to move forward in the queue!
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| zikomo wrote: |
| @turms2, You need to try the glacier t-bar in Saas Fee. When your youngest kid begs to go with Daddy. 2370m long with the T-bar just below knee height. Hell on earth. |
poaaa....thats a must
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I don't find pushy little feckers in queues remotely "cute". You get a lot of them on the glacier in Tignes and Les Deux Alpes in the race training season.
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@pam w,
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I don't find pushy little feckers in queues remotely "cute".
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| pam w wrote: |
| I don't find pushy little feckers in queues remotely "cute". You get a lot of them on the glacier in Tignes and Les Deux Alpes in the race training season. |
Interesting choice of words. I was being somewhat light-hearted. This seems to intimate that my child is a "pushy little fecker", which I very much hope is not what you meant.
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In Italy and France i think the have only button lifts
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They have quite a few in Chile and one they have one here in Les Arcs but that only serves the snow park so no one really cares
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| pam w wrote: |
| I don't find pushy little feckers in queues remotely "cute". You get a lot of them on the glacier in Tignes and Les Deux Alpes in the race training season. |
I think I know the phenomenon you're talking about: groups of kids in the approx. 8-14 range, barging their way through queues, pushing others aside often quite aggressively, trying to make sure that the others in their group behind them can still push they way in front of the poor unsuspecting punters they're pushing past, very little regard for others using the lift, a general sense of self-importance, that kind of thing?
If so, I took zikomo to be describing something very different from that: a child who slides through gaps that others might not have fitted through or even noticed, works their way to the front without inconveniencing others, and more often than not takes a seat on a chair that would otherwise have been empty. Usually while smiling and being smiled at all the way.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@zikomo, I'm afraid that I inferred from your own post that your son was a pushy, if charming, child. Your use of the word 'manipulative' did him no favours either. But it's all good if he's now seeing the error of his ways, unless of course he joins the ranks of those described in @jmr59's first paragraph above (post of 1519) to which, again according to your own description, your daughter appears to belong.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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i noticed this everywhere .. Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France (althoung in Flaine and La Plagne didnt see somo of them in the queues)
what i find unacceptable is that the instructors (at least those i noticed) dont give a fxxx at all...the find it funny....
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| @zikomo, I'm afraid that I inferred from your own post that your son was a pushy, if charming, child. Your use of the word 'manipulative' did him no favours either. But it's all good if he's now seeing the error of his ways, unless of course he joins the ranks of those described in @jmr59's first paragraph above (post of 1519) to which, again according to your own description, your daughter appears to belong. |
I see. Well that says a lot more about you than it does about him. As I said, I was clearly being light-hearted and self-deprecating about one of my children. I will not repeat the error. You have inferred that my son is "pushy" and Pam has inferred that he is a "little fecker" so I clearly need to be more careful with my words and not assume people here are will pause before saying something quite unpleasant about one of my children on the back of a light-hearted comment of mine.
For clarity my son is a very polite and confident young man. But he is the youngest, was very cute as a wee boy, he knew it, and clearly has a high level of emotional intelligence. He would mostly be helped forward by others in the queue, a combination of politeness and cuteness being deployed. And yes he would often end up taking a seat that would otherwise have been left empty (and spend the trip having a good chat). He has never been pushy in any way, and I did not suggest that he had been.
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You know it makes sense.
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 My daughter frequently refer to her kids as "little feckers". It's usually said to me, as their grandmother (not the kids themselves) when they have behaved less than beautifully and been appropriately reprimanded, for some relatively minor misdemeanour (such as having "forgotten" to feed the cats or leaving their dirty school uniform strewn all over their bedroom floor). They would certainly have been told not to repeat the behaviour but doesn't mean they are no longer loved, or no longer, in every other respect, amongst the most gifted, beautiful, admirable and rightly adored children in the world.
I don't hang around in lift queues, but I try not to push, or be pushed. I wouldn't insist a child old enough to ride the lift alone stay glued to my side. But if one of them ended up ten chairs ahead of me in anything other than a massively long queue, I would assume he'd been a pushy little fecker. How else do you get so far ahead of an experienced parent? And if someone else's PLF tries to sidle past me with a winning (aka manipulative?) smile I plonk my pole down between their skis and give them a Hard Look, Paddington bear style.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@pam w, well, but I fear pointlessly, argued! 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| zikomo wrote: |
| He would mostly be helped forward by others in the queue, a combination of politeness and cuteness being deployed. |
Yes, I've helped kids like this. But that's because I assumed that their parents were in front and they were trying to catch up with them because some evil person/s had pushed in and separated them. I'm guessing that others did the same, thinking it was the right thing to do. I never realised I could have been manipulated by a child for fun. It's a strange thing to post on a forum.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@maggi, @pam w, I don't know why, but I've suddenly been assailed by a memory of us on a chairlift singing rugby songs! (At least I think you were there too, maggi, certainly pam w was, she was teaching us the words.) God knows what @zikomo would think that says about us.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Hurtle, you don't hate ALL noise pollution then?
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| pam w wrote: |
| ... How else do you get so far ahead of an experienced parent? And if someone else's PLF tries to sidle past me with a winning (aka manipulative?) smile I plonk my pole down between their skis and give them a Hard Look, Paddington bear style. |
Where I mostly ride no one ever even tries to jump the queue, it would be unconscionably rude.
You'd be pulled up by the lifties at best, may lose your ticket if you keep doing it. But no one in the queue would tolerate that. I've never seen it done.
I've only encountered little that trick in Europe, where my response is whatever it takes to prevent the pushing in.
I always assumed little c*nts were on their own as obviously their parents would be horrified if they knew their kids were behaving like that.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Hurtle, I would have no problem with you singing rugby songs on a chairlift, no idea why you think I would. Sounds fun. And I would join in if on the same chair.
@pam w, You can refer to your own children and grandchildren as "little feckers" to your hearts content, that is your prerogative. It is unseemly, rude and very insensitive to refer to anyone else's children in that way however. Criticism of other's children is something any grown up person should be aware is not a good idea.
@maggi, It was a bit of fun. I am sorry for posting it. It seems to have been taken as permission to be judgemental. And if you think that children are not manipulative then so be it, that is not my experience (or the experience if any other parent I have ever met).
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I’d be embarrassed that I hadn’t brought my kids up to respect people and queue like a decent human. To then be offended that anyone would have the temerity to not appreciate this jolly tale of “cute” queue-barging does beggar belief! 
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| Jagerbull wrote: |
| @Hurtle, you don't hate ALL noise pollution then? |
haha.Touchée!
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@Hurtle, 
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@Jagerbull, I should point out, though, that it was exclusively a bunch of snowHead friends on the chair, there weren't any other victims on the chair, and I doubt we were singing loudly enough to disturb others on the mountainside, at least I hope not. 
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I wouldn't have sung some of those songs if there had been any little feckers around.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@pam w,
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Hurtle, OMG!  Yes, @pam w, taught us some filthy rugby songs whilst sitting on chairlifts. I was shocked, I tell you, shocked! . From reading her posts, before meeting her, I thought she was prim and proper but she was a total hoot in real life .
@zikomo,
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| And if you think that children are not manipulative then so be it, that is not my experience (or the experience if any other parent I have ever met). |
I don't think that at all  . Of course, children can be highly manipulative. I have a lot of experience, having worked with children and young people from pre-school to university age, for many years. I also have 4 of my own, now grown and independent, who turned out OK.
Anyway, let's put this point to bed before it gets out of hand.
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You know it makes sense.
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All this ageism doesn't sit well with me.
If somebody wants to taken an un-used seat, this not only helps them, but also reduces the queue by one, so its win-win.
So long as in doing so they don't trample all over other peoples skis and boards in getting thru then its a good deed.
I don't see why the age of that person is relevant.
Its still one seat irrespective of their age and in all cases it behoves them to do it in a polite and considered manner.
Smaller people may be able to squeeze thru gaps, but as a larger person, I normally just ask the people in front if I can take the unused place on the chair in front of them that they have decided not to use, and point to where I want to go and they let me through.
I would no less let a kid rudely pash past me than an adult. On more than one occasion Mrs WTF has berated me for making small children cry with my DEATH stare because they started walking across the back of my board, adults tend not to cry, but they stop clattering the back of my board pretty quickly.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I don’t get it when people don’t wear any eye protection what-so-ever while on the mountain on any weather day but especially on sunny days… surely they incinerate their retinas?
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Poster: A snowHead
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A friend doesn't wear any unless its snowing, he says never wears any when goes on holiday even in strong summer sunlight, he has been warned he is potentially doing permanent damage, as they you can lead a horse to water but not make it drink?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Some contact lenses have a bit of UV protection, you can still get sunburn on the white of the eye though.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I wear sun glasses or goggles if it's very glarey, sunshine on snow is very uncomfortable, but I think the dangers of incinerating retinas, at our latitudes and with our weather, can be over-egged. After all, our ancestors didn't wear expensive sunglasses all the time, did they? Yet some people seem to fuss their kids into sunnies to go shopping in Guildford.
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@pam w, we know a bit more than our ancestors did, including the effects of sunlight.
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| OuatteDePhoque wrote: |
All this ageism doesn't sit well with me.
If somebody wants to taken an un-used seat, this not only helps them, but also reduces the queue by one, so its win-win.
So long as in doing so they don't trample all over other peoples skis and boards in getting thru then its a good deed.
I don't see why the age of that person is relevant.
Its still one seat irrespective of their age and in all cases it behoves them to do it in a polite and considered manner.
Smaller people may be able to squeeze thru gaps, but as a larger person, I normally just ask the people in front if I can take the unused place on the chair in front of them that they have decided not to use, and point to where I want to go and they let me through. |
1 person moving forward in the mass queue is absolutely fine with me (in 99% of cases) as it is normally into vacant spaces and I can well see how said 1 person can be many chairs ahead of group of 3-4 others. Queues are mainly slow as the group of 3-4 slowly and tactically make their way forward in order to be on same chair.
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| pam w wrote: |
| I wear sun glasses or goggles if it's very glarey, sunshine on snow is very uncomfortable, but I think the dangers of incinerating retinas, at our latitudes and with our weather, can be over-egged. After all, our ancestors didn't wear expensive sunglasses all the time, did they? Yet some people seem to fuss their kids into sunnies to go shopping in Guildford. |
No they didn't. And they died when they were 40 from a combination of bites from wild bears, scurvy, war with neighbouring villages and small pox. The sunlight reflecting off every concrete surface was a little less prevalent in the 1400s also.
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as an already skin-problem -Patient (thank God was not the worst case scenario), and after i lost my father because of a skin cancer, i have to say : wear googlles, glasses and use sun creme when you are on the mountains, especially the sunny days
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Last week in VT, if I was getting one of the lower chairs first thing I made a point of helping the instructors get a kid upto the top. Other people were just ignoring the line of kids and trying to keep their group together. Most of the time nobody filled up the seats that were left on my chair.
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I'm always happy to take ski school kids up the chairlift, and have done lots of times. Doesn't mean I'm happy with kids squirming their way up the chair and I'm not happy with people "keeping their group together" either. Fortunately, having rarely skied where there are queues, it's not been a problem for me. In fact one ski school group I came across was having real problems because there was scarcely anybody else going up. My OH and I were the first people along for a while, and having taken two little girls up we waited till the rest of their gang was arriving. On that occasion I asked the older of the two how old she was - the answer was 6, and quite reasonably she asked how old I was. At the time I was probably about 63. She was taken aback. "My granny's 63", she announced "and she's dead".
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@pam w,
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