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| jmr59 wrote: |
| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| Main problem with VT is that idiots hoon it down the flats at the bottom of town with no regard for the learners skiing more slowly. Really they should ski with more care and respect |
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While there are undoubtably idiots e.g. the guy who tried to ollie over the tails of my skis while I was stood at the side of the piste who I called 7 shades of c##t. Not everyone travelling the flats "fast" relative to beginner speed is disregarding. It is at least in part an infrastructure problem.
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As pointed there are a myriad of reasons to skip the restaurant mountain lunch and make do with a brown bag lunch. I mean we are tight back bottoms but the slopes are quiet, on a sunny day it's nice to sit out and on bad weather days there are some nice picnic huts these days. If we weren't a tight back bottoms (we do actually quite like cooking) I would be more inclined to eat out in the evenings.
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As for that area in VT you are talking about - it is a nightmare. I am not sure dividing the slope up will help as it's both an intersection and a thoroughfare.
No doubt some people could modify their speed but equally some beginners are very nervy - it's basically quite difficult for all users.
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| Layne wrote: |
| As for that area in VT you are talking about - it is a nightmare. I am not sure dividing the slope up will help as it's both an intersection and a thoroughfare. |
I'm sure it won't help. Everyone who's not actively using the learner slopes will squeeze into a much smaller width, there'll still be a lot of beginners/early improvers on the 'non-nursery' section, and the sense of entitlement on the part of the hooning idiots will increase, as they'll feel encouraged to think that the 'beginners' skiing more slowly than them should be on the 'beginner section'.
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| jmr59 wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
| As for that area in VT you are talking about - it is a nightmare. I am not sure dividing the slope up will help as it's both an intersection and a thoroughfare. |
I'm sure it won't help. Everyone who's not actively using the learner slopes will squeeze into a much smaller width, there'll still be a lot of beginners/early improvers on the 'non-nursery' section, and the sense of entitlement on the part of the hooning idiots will increase, as they'll feel encouraged to think that the 'beginners' skiing more slowly than them should be on the 'beginner section'. |
And why is this a problem? If there is a designated "learning zone" and a designated "traffic zone" shouldn't people take the responsibility to locate themselves in the right place?
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
And why is this a problem? If there is a designated "learning zone" and a designated "traffic zone" shouldn't people take the responsibility to locate themselves in the right place? |
Because (as is to be expected on a green slope) a good deal of the 'traffic' will be slow: beginners and early improvers who are (legitimately) no longer using (or just not using) the 'learning zone'. It'll have the same problems that area has now, only there'll be less space, & greater entitlement & expectations on the part of the people who want to ski inappropriately fast that the slower and less advanced skiers 'shouldn't be there'.
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@jmr59, Yes, it's a bit like some attempts at cycle lanes, often less than ideal for cyclists just wanting to get somewhere, which had a negative effect caused by less awareness of cycles on the main roads and less tolerance of them from drivers who felt that cyclists should not be there in the first place. (I'm thinking here of the Redway network in Milton Keynes, where I lived for 15 years or so in the 80s and 90s).
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@jmr59, I guess I'm a bit baffled by your hypotheses. I managed to avoid the zone between Pioneers and Peclet entirely last week not least because I dislike the crowding and the poor surface but had I navigated it probably would have been in a pretty straight line (to avoid getting bogged down) but being no danger to beginners etc. Your suggestion seems to be that everyone should slow to a crawl because there are some slow skiers on it; a) that won't ever happen and b) if the slope were divided into slow and fast zones at least courteous people could try to be in the appropriate area.
Somewhere like VT it isn't a matter of hotshots choosing deliberately to buzz others on a green slope it is just reality that there is a single wide piste connecting all the lower mountain lifts Stade through to Boismint.
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| Chaletbeauroc wrote: |
| @jmr59, Yes, it's a bit like some attempts at cycle lanes, often less than ideal for cyclists just wanting to get somewhere, which had a negative effect caused by less awareness of cycles on the main roads and less tolerance of them from drivers who felt that cyclists should not be there in the first place. (I'm thinking here of the Redway network in Milton Keynes, where I lived for 15 years or so in the 80s and 90s). |
Yeah, that’s a nice analogy. I’ve not cycled in MK, but here in Cardiff there are plenty of spots where if I’m in the right-hand lane at a roundabout a small but very vocal minority of highly aggressive motorists will hoot and scream at me to get off the road and point at a shared-use path to the left of the road, which of course doesn’t take me where I need to go (there’s a reason I’m in the right-hand lane).
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@Dave of the Marmottes: I fully agree with you that it's possible to ski in a way that's both faster than and respectful of/courteous towards lower-ability and/or slower skiers. I'm not objecting to skiing quickly: I'm objecting to skiing quickly without regard for others. I think the point of disagreement is my sense that hiving off a 'learning zone' will increase the disregard and sense of entitlement of some skiers outside it.
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| Hotdogger wrote: |
| VT nearly killed us last week. We could've hired our own chef for what we paid on and off the slopes. |
I confess that I didn't buy anything in VT last week. Had done a shop in Albertville on the Saturday for myself and rooms 19&20 and either took a sandwich with me or went back to my apartment for lunch. Had a pocket full of snacks with me too each day, body fat is so low at the end of the winter that I get hungry often. |
Now I'm confused as I hadn't spotted your name on the list for the Bash.
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| jmr59 wrote: |
| @Dave of the Marmottes: I fully agree with you that it's possible to ski in a way that's both faster than and respectful of/courteous towards lower-ability and/or slower skiers. I'm not objecting to skiing quickly: I'm objecting to skiing quickly without regard for others. I think the point of disagreement is my sense that hiving off a 'learning zone' will increase the disregard and sense of entitlement of some skiers outside it. |
But isn't that untested as yet and division may still be worthwhile if it protects those in the learner/slow zone?
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@sugarmoma666, I think it was rjs who made the comment about the self-catering and having low body-fat at the end of the winter (an affliction from which I don't suffer.....). These embedded quotes can indeed be confusing.
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You know it makes sense.
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Apartment 1. My 2 teenage girls were in the pool as much as on the snow. You may have noticed them.  They were not the quietest.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@pam w, ah... I did wonder.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| pam w wrote: |
| @sugarmoma666, I think it was rjs who made the comment about the self-catering and having low body-fat at the end of the winter (an affliction from which I don't suffer.....). These embedded quotes can indeed be confusing. |
It was rjs I was confused about. I knew Hotdogger and family were on the bash (although I don't think I met them.)
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I must admit I nearly cr@pped myself when someone whizzed past my right earhole leaving about a 70cm gap.
it was on the "Pluviometre" at a point where its probably only 100 metres wide, there was hardly anyone on the slope and I was just minding my own business practicing short turns.
He or she were probably in perfect control, but no need to aggresively buzz me.
I'll get over it.
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I don’t get it when people want to get around you, but they do this by trying to go just a little bit faster than you then try to just about cut in front of you. It doesn’t occur to them it would be far easier to cut behind.
Also, I don’t get snowbikes, like a bike but instead of wheels there are mini snowboards… I don’t get those.
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@Extremophile, probably the same folk who cut in front of you on a motorway then immediately slow down in order to take the immediate exit.
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another point (dont know if some mentioned that already)
1. people front of the chairlifts waiting for friends, kinder etc but they block half way.
2. i am always with the kids (7 and 5). The resort is empty no ques, no waitings etc. In a 6er Chairlift and because i have a snowboard i usually left a sit between me and my son. I am doing that only where we are alone and nobody waits etc in order that he has more space.
Next to my son, is my daughter and furthermore my wife. Although there is no one in the lift, suddenly 1sec before we go to the conv . belt of the chairlift, someone comes between me and my son.
Really mate???? w.t.f. are you doing?
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| turms2 wrote: |
2. i am always with the kids (7 and 5). The resort is empty no ques, no waitings etc. In a 6er Chairlift and because i have a snowboard i usually left a sit between me and my son. I am doing that only where we are alone and nobody waits etc in order that he has more space.
Next to my son, is my daughter and furthermore my wife. Although there is no one in the lift, suddenly 1sec before we go to the conv . belt of the chairlift, someone comes between me and my son.
Really mate???? w.t.f. are you doing? |
It me. If there’s a space on the chair, I’ll take it rather than wait for the next one. I’m perfectly happy sitting next to a boarder, & I don’t know (or care) that the space is between you & your son:if you leave a space, you should be prepared for someone to fill it.
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If people want to play "happy families" on a chair lift, the way to do it is to line up side by side, and spread out only once you're past the entry gates and you know there's space on the seat. In BC, any gap is likely to be filled as a matter of course. It's actually rude to try to "marshal" seat capacity if you're not a liftie, and the lifties will not allow you to do that if they're working the line.
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I was thinking that something I don't get is snow parks, which just look boring and ugly. Half pipes were fun, elegant to ride, a synthetic version of the back country original. Big kickers I get, although it's a bit aerial ballet, but that rail sliding stuff... is funny but ugly in downtown Helsinki, but at a resort it just seems lame.
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| jmr59 wrote: |
| turms2 wrote: |
2. i am always with the kids (7 and 5). The resort is empty no ques, no waitings etc. In a 6er Chairlift and because i have a snowboard i usually left a sit between me and my son. I am doing that only where we are alone and nobody waits etc in order that he has more space.
Next to my son, is my daughter and furthermore my wife. Although there is no one in the lift, suddenly 1sec before we go to the conv . belt of the chairlift, someone comes between me and my son.
Really mate???? w.t.f. are you doing? |
It me. If there’s a space on the chair, I’ll take it rather than wait for the next one. I’m perfectly happy sitting next to a boarder, & I don’t know (or care) that the space is between you & your son:if you leave a space, you should be prepared for someone to fill it. |
yeap....if there are people around i dont do it. If there is no one, or to be more accurrate there is someone e.g. waiting for his friend, lets us go , and the suddenly comes with us i find this annoying. However ok, happens ones, didnt leave the gap anymore.
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| phil_w wrote: |
If people want to play "happy families" on a chair lift, the way to do it is to line up side by side, and spread out only once you're past the entry gates and you know there's space on the seat. In BC, any gap is likely to be filled as a matter of course. It's actually rude to try to "marshal" seat capacity if you're not a liftie, and the lifties will not allow you to do that if they're working the line.
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if there is no one around me, i am not trying something as "marshal" seat capacity. I dont do it when there are other people behind us, exactly why someone want to come with us.
But if there is no one, or some one who seemed that he dont want to take the lift, and suddenly last minute comes, then ok, he has the right to do it , but it is also my right to find that annoying
btw way pointless discussion since usually there are always people around us . we are with the kids meaning, Christmas Holidays, Half term etc
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| turms2 wrote: |
2. i am always with the kids (7 and 5). The resort is empty no ques, no waitings etc. In a 6er Chairlift and because i have a snowboard i usually left a sit between me and my son. I am doing that only where we are alone and nobody waits etc in order that he has more space.
Next to my son, is my daughter and furthermore my wife. Although there is no one in the lift, suddenly 1sec before we go to the conv . belt of the chairlift, someone comes between me and my son.
Really mate???? w.t.f. are you doing? |
It me. If there’s a space on the chair, I’ll take it rather than wait for the next one. I’m perfectly happy sitting next to a boarder, & I don’t know (or care) that the space is between you & your son:if you leave a space, you should be prepared for someone to fill it. |
+1 If I'm skiing on my own I'm generally keen to get up the lift as quickly as possible. Also, I find some of the looks I get when I play "gooseberry" in this way quite amusing  As others have said, line up next to each other, then spread out after the gate if there's space.
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I don't get people slamming the bar down as soon as they've sat down on a chairlift, without considering if everyone else is settled, especially if they then try to lift the bar early.
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@turms2, So at Christmas, Half Term you expect to have an empty seat?
Those are absolutely the very busiest time of the year, when the queue is always at its worst.
In our family we adopt a strict "see you at the top" mentality in the lift queue and do our very best to fill every seat, taking odd seats if they are there.
Frankly it really p!sses me off to see empty seats go up when there is any meaningful queue at all.
Often it is 25% of the seats because people need to sit with their friends/family for those few minutes....and if the whole queue was 25% less that would make us all so much happier.
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Frankly it really p!sses me off to see empty seats go up when there is any meaningful queue at all.
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Me too. Small kids with their parents are fine - but if it's a family of 4, they should split 2 and 2, not faff around trying to make sure they all get on the same chair.
But most of my skiing was done at times and places without lift queues - so I can't say it's been a big bugbear of mine.
I do think "singles lines" are an obvious idea.
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| rungsp wrote: |
@turms2, So at Christmas, Half Term you expect to have an empty seat?
Those are absolutely the very busiest time of the year, when the queue is always at its worst.
In our family we adopt a strict "see you at the top" mentality in the lift queue and do our very best to fill every seat, taking odd seats if they are there.
Frankly it really p!sses me off to see empty seats go up when there is any meaningful queue at all.
Often it is 25% of the seats because people need to sit with their friends/family for those few minutes....and if the whole queue was 25% less that would make us all so much happier. |
nope. Exactly that is what i am saying. What i wirte is pointless, because with the kids we have to go for skiing holidays always in busy times.
So the opportunity to find no one waiting for the lift, in order to leave more place for the kids, is probably 0.001%
In such cases we stay all together and fine.
The "see you at the top" , works sometimes with us, but we have to split 3 / 1. I noticed that a split 2 / 2 come rarelly
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| sugarmoma666 wrote: |
| jmr59 wrote: |
| turms2 wrote: |
2. i am always with the kids (7 and 5). The resort is empty no ques, no waitings etc. In a 6er Chairlift and because i have a snowboard i usually left a sit between me and my son. I am doing that only where we are alone and nobody waits etc in order that he has more space.
Next to my son, is my daughter and furthermore my wife. Although there is no one in the lift, suddenly 1sec before we go to the conv . belt of the chairlift, someone comes between me and my son.
Really mate???? w.t.f. are you doing? |
It me. If there’s a space on the chair, I’ll take it rather than wait for the next one. I’m perfectly happy sitting next to a boarder, & I don’t know (or care) that the space is between you & your son:if you leave a space, you should be prepared for someone to fill it. |
+1 If I'm skiing on my own I'm generally keen to get up the lift as quickly as possible. Also, I find some of the looks I get when I play "gooseberry" in this way quite amusing As others have said, line up next to each other, then spread out after the gate if there's space. |
when i am alone, i dont bother at all. However i find it it amusing when i reached the chairlift and some people with skies are not so happy sitting near a boarder
More amusing is with the T Bars when i ask someone "can i come with you?" and from one side they can not say no, on the other side they are terrified. But i dont do it any more.
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I'm surprised some people on here go on winter sports holidays at all given how much gets on their nerves.
And reading some comments makes their holidays sound more like a boot camp than a holiday.
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| Jagerbull wrote: |
I'm surprised some people on here go on winter sports holidays at all given how much gets on their nerves.
And reading some comments makes their holidays sound more like a boot camp than a holiday. |
well we are talking about "things we dont get", i see it more something like "things that i dislike" and not get on my nerves.
The only thing that get on my nerves in skiing holidays is when it is raining.
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@turms2, I can tell just from looking at how you stand with your board what standard of boarder you are, and happy to ride a T-bar with a boarder who knows what he/she is doing. I will refuse to share, however, with a boarder who is less competent. It is simply unsafe as well as uncomfortable. It is easier to manage a wayward skier and I am more used to it from instructing so worry a bit less about that.
Also - when I was (much) younger and single I observed that lots of the hot girls were boarders. That was probably also true of hot guys to be honest but I didn't really notice so much. Why miss an opportunity by never sharing with a boarder? Plus you can get extra cred from the get go by actively offering! Less true now as most younger slope users seem to be on skis, so unfortunately not a very useful tip for my kids.
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I don't like it when cute kids manage to cut the line to an outrageous degree. Mostly because I have one. He slinks his was through and round people while looking up at them and smiling his cute little smile. To the extent that he actually gets people helping him to get further through the line. Leaves us all for dead every time, in a busy queue he will be 10+ chairs ahead of us. The only one that can keep up with him is his ski-racing elder sister, who has clearly been trained in queuing ninja tactics, and even she loses more often than not.
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| zikomo wrote: |
| Also - when I was (much) younger and single I observed that lots of the hot girls were boarders. That was probably also true of hot guys to be honest but I didn't really notice so much. Why miss an opportunity by never sharing with a boarder? Plus you can get extra cred from the get go by actively offering! Less true now as most younger slope users seem to be on skis, so unfortunately not a very useful tip for my kids. |
Where are all the t-bars? Scotland? Elsewhere? I've only ever seen or used them on my solitary trip to Glenshee, aged about ten.
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| zikomo wrote: |
| I don't like it when cute kids manage to cut the line to an outrageous degree. Mostly because I have one. He slinks his was through and round people while looking up at them and smiling his cute little smile. To the extent that he actually gets people helping him to get further through the line. Leaves us all for dead every time, in a busy queue he will be 10+ chairs ahead of us. The only one that can keep up with him is his ski-racing elder sister, who has clearly been trained in queuing ninja tactics, and even she loses more often than not. |
I love that. I'll actively aid a kid who's willing to make the effort to get through to a gap that others have left in front of me that I don't feel able to barge through to. The smile helps, as does the fact that it generally seems to be motivated by a joy at being on the slopes.
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@jmr59, Not just Glenshee. Quite a few smaller but great areas in Switzerland have T-bars. Less and less common these days though.
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| zikomo wrote: |
@turms2, I can tell just from looking at how you stand with your board what standard of boarder you are, and happy to ride a T-bar with a boarder who knows what he/she is doing. I will refuse to share, however, with a boarder who is less competent. It is simply unsafe as well as uncomfortable. It is easier to manage a wayward skier and I am more used to it from instructing so worry a bit less about that.
Also - when I was (much) younger and single I observed that lots of the hot girls were boarders. That was probably also true of hot guys to be honest but I didn't really notice so much. Why miss an opportunity by never sharing with a boarder? Plus you can get extra cred from the get go by actively offering! Less true now as most younger slope users seem to be on skis, so unfortunately not a very useful tip for my kids. |
i was also a less competent boarder and i know what this means, so does not bother me at all if someone says no. And to be honest i avoid the TBars with my wife because i dont want to cause any trouble to her. With the kids is extremely difficult for me because i have to put the T Bar too low.
As an experienced boarder now (and instructor) i have to point that with people with the same body as i , the T Bar works perfect. sometimes better as when i am alone.
But with kids, women etc whore are not so big / heavy it is not the best option.
However i have to mention that for 3-4 Times i took the TBar with both kids all together. That was really funny since the TBar was in kids area, too slow and for a short distance , and was really difficult to drag all of us together
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| jmr59 wrote: |
| zikomo wrote: |
| Also - when I was (much) younger and single I observed that lots of the hot girls were boarders. That was probably also true of hot guys to be honest but I didn't really notice so much. Why miss an opportunity by never sharing with a boarder? Plus you can get extra cred from the get go by actively offering! Less true now as most younger slope users seem to be on skis, so unfortunately not a very useful tip for my kids. |
Where are all the t-bars? Scotland? Elsewhere? I've only ever seen or used them on my solitary trip to Glenshee, aged about ten. |
In Austria / Germany / Switzerland you could find many T Bars...usually in Smaller areas or kids areas
In Italy and France i think the have only button lifts
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@turms2, You need to try the glacier t-bar in Saas Fee. When your youngest kid begs to go with Daddy. 2370m long with the T-bar just below knee height. Hell on earth.
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