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A brief history of time ...
This thread was launched on 18 December 2012 to promote the "re-launched" Ski Club of Great Britain chat forum, and encourage use of that forum. Gotoma86 did the deed that day, and should be congratulated for his/her endeavours ...
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| Wow, Ski Club of Great Britain have re-launched their chat forum and it looks good. Simple sign-up, you don't need to become a member plus they seem to have introduced profiles as well. Well this will be fun, who's going to jump ship and start using the Tea Club forum then?[/url] |
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In fact they have re-done their homepage and navigation, looks a lot more club focused and big drive for personal profiling.
I like it! |
Four-and-a-half years later, that SCGB forum (there are stated to be 29,000 members of the Club) has not had a single message posted since last Sunday 14 May. Are these people still alive? This 'level of activity' confounds the current front-page promotion on the SCGB website "Chat with other skiers on the Ski Club's Chat Forum".
This thread (alone) has had 22 messages (by 10 contributors) posted since last Sunday. OK, it's not exactly 'on fire' but it's also had somewhere between 1000-2000 hits in the past week.
The SCGB seems to have switched a chunk of its social media activity to Facebook, with specialised pages for meet-ups at specific ski resorts.
This is all very well, but what exactly is the strategy for the Ski Club of Great Britain right now, based on its own (rather than Facebook's) resources? Hopefully not asset-stripping (which is a potential result of the sale of the Wimbledon HQ) and further decline.
When a national club has reached a membership of around 2% of British skiers, perhaps there's potential for growth.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Davina Goldballs, have you thought about setting up a ski club, you seem to have the skills.
DGGB ski club is quite catchy may be admin could advise ( for a small undeclared amount) on settting up a chat forum.
DGGB Gossip Board?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Norrin Radd, good idea, though I suspect it would only have 2 active posters, dg and gerry, though thinking about it again dg would probably pick a fight with dgadmin.
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| ansta1 wrote: |
| ... though thinking about it again dg would probably pick a fight with dgadmin. |
Ah but who would win? 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
This is all very well, but what exactly is the strategy for the Ski Club of Great Britain right now, based on its own (rather than Facebook's) resources? Hopefully not asset-stripping (which is a potential result of the sale of the Wimbledon HQ) and further decline.
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A good question. I am not sure you will ever get an answer though.
The potential member will no longer have reps to guide them around the slopes. Admittedly the club can employ others to do this, but members will pay an extra cost for this. Temptation may be to cut out the middleman.
Existing members may well stay because they are comfortable with what the club offers and are prepared to pay extra if necessary.
Age profiles and churn figures may be interesting to see.
The theory that the club was run for the benefit of the reps, who got paid holidays out of it, does not seem to hold water now either - if it ever did. Not much good being in a ski resort if you are not free to ski. 'Ambassadors' or whatever they are called now seem to have other duties that impinge on skiing time.
The theory that club is there to fund British competitive skiers is not convincing. Even if they do help some athletes financially on occasion.
My own hunch is the future is 'managed decline'.
Then full transformation into a niche holiday company.
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| George Jones wrote: |
The potential member will no longer have reps to guide them around the slopes. Admittedly the club can employ others to do this, but members will pay an extra cost for this. Temptation may be to cut out the middleman. |
The 'middleman' in this case is subsidising the cost and arranging for other people of similar ability to join. Cutting out the 'middleman' in your example will actually add cost and that cost could be big if you struggle to get others to go.
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| My own hunch is the future is 'managed decline'. |
Badly Informed snowHeads have been saying the club is doomed for 13yrs. This place has had 13 years to catch up and overtake the Ski Club yet all it has to show for it is 50k registered members and a huge chunk of them are socks or have never even posted a single message. snowHeads markets itself as Ski Club 2.0* but is nothing like as good as the Ski Club (of GB). It all revolves around one guy and if he calls it a days or sells out then that's it.
Give it another 13yrs and snowHeads will either have evaporated into nothingness, been bought out and changed beyond all recognition or broken up into rival factions. Admittedly, if you like online cliques, sheeple, patronising old women, the veneration of lardiness and personality cults, then snowHeads is your bag.
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@Gerry,
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Admittedly, if you like online cliques, sheeple, patronising old women, the veneration of lardiness and personality cults, then snowHeads is your bag.
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Into which category do you fall? There must be one, otherwise you wouldn't be here.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
@Gerry,
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Admittedly, if you like online cliques, sheeple, patronising old women, the veneration of lardiness and personality cults, then snowHeads is your bag.
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Into which category do you fall? There must be one, otherwise you wouldn't be here. |
I like the 'humour' of snowHead land, it's like a rejected Terry & June script. The vomit inducing tweeness of this place is hilarious in its own right, it really is. Have you ever laughed and vomited at the same time?
Actually, I did forget the sub catagory of 'getting shitface on vodka'. I don't know why your appearance made me think of that. But if you ever fancy a drinking contest against me (snowHeads -v- SCGB) you just let me know.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Gerry, I've never got shitfaced on vodka, nor do I wish to, so fear that the challenge doesn't appeal.
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| @Gerry, I've never got shitfaced on vodka, nor do I wish to, so fear that the challenge doesn't appeal. |
Well, a search of the word vodka being used by you only throws up 4 pages worth.
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You know it makes sense.
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| Gerry wrote: |
| This place has had 13 years to catch up and overtake the Ski Club yet all it has to show for it is 50k registered members and a huge chunk of them are socks or have never even posted a single message. |
"Catch up and overtake the Ski Club?" I think you'll find that in terms of it's online presence as a skiing/snowboard related forum (which was it's original raison d'etre) it surpassed the SCGB website and left it in the dust years ago. Just compare the numbers and breadth of topics and skiing related information between the two sites.
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| snowHeads markets itself as Ski Club 2.0* but is nothing like as good as the Ski Club (of GB). |
Well leaving aside the fact that, as I understand it, a few years ago the SCGB threatened snowHeads with legal action over trademark infringement for their use of the phrase "Ski Club" (in spite of the fact that the SCGB trademark itself explicitly said that they did not hold any rights to the phrase "Ski Club" ) that is just your personal view. My personal view is that I was a member of SCGB for more than 20 years (and gained benefits from doing so), and subsequently was a member of both SCGB and snowHeads for a number of years, but have since decided to give up my SCGB membership as I now get more out my membership of snowHeads through the forum and the Bashes than from SCGB.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Gerry wrote: |
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| @Gerry, I've never got shitfaced on vodka, nor do I wish to, so fear that the challenge doesn't appeal. |
Well, a search of the word vodka being used by you only throws up 4 pages worth. |
More than likely, but not combined with shitfaced.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Gerry wrote: |
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| @Gerry, I've never got shitfaced on vodka, nor do I wish to, so fear that the challenge doesn't appeal. |
Well, a search of the word vodka being used by you only throws up 4 pages worth. |
More than likely, but not combined with shitfaced. |
I think the lady doth protest too much.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Alastair Pink wrote: |
| Gerry wrote: |
| This place has had 13 years to catch up and overtake the Ski Club yet all it has to show for it is 50k registered members and a huge chunk of them are socks or have never even posted a single message. |
"Catch up and overtake the Ski Club?" I think you'll find that in terms of it's online presence as a skiing/snowboard related forum (which was it's original raison d'etre) it surpassed the SCGB website and left it in the dust years ago. Just compare the numbers and breadth of topics and skiing related information between the two sites. |
All I see here is a couple of hundred people who have reached critical mass for a forum. Nothing special about that. And of course this place is morally bankrupt. Case in point, DG's accusations of tax evasion had to be moderated away, (can't have that, what what, rattle of teacups!) while anyone else seems to be fair game as far as the bent moderation team are concerned. Also, there's no egalitarianism in here, unlike the Ski Club where everyone has an equal share, an equal opportunity and no bottom licking or clique joining is required, unlike here.
And that legal thing was stupid, I don't know what possessed them.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Once again, I'd like to thank the SCGB for deciding my membership status for me, back in 2003 (or was it 2004). Saved me a few bob over the years.
With contributions like the above, I am glad.
Still waiting for that one magazine issue they forgot to send. Just binned all the other advertorials the other day while spring cleaning.
Clubs in the traditional sense are history. Facebook and informal gatherings are where it's at.
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| Gerry wrote: |
| All I see here is a couple of hundred people who have reached critical mass for a forum. Nothing special about that. |
Well it was something the SCGB failed to achieve after making their forum members only and then reversing the decision years later, sadly to little avail.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Gerry wrote: |
| All I see here is a couple of hundred people who have reached critical mass for a forum. Nothing special about that. |
Well it was something the SCGB failed to achieve after making their forum members only and then reversing the decision years later, sadly to little avail. |
Well, 95% of the alleged 800k - 1million skier/boarders never bothered to turn up here, did they? Hardly a massive success.
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
Four-and-a-half years later, that SCGB forum (there are stated to be 29,000 members of the Club) has not had a single message posted since last Sunday 14 May. Are these people still alive? This 'level of activity' confounds the current front-page promotion on the SCGB website "Chat with other skiers on the Ski Club's Chat Forum". |
Thanks for pointing that out. You make a good point, even if it is the "off season" for the north there is good early snow in South America and even snow in South Africa so still lots to talk about.
Clearly they lack a digital strategy (as you say). It is arguable that forums are not where it is at now but then why pimp it just at the start of summer? The forum relaunch needed much more attention. It's tricky, Graeme obviously started with a core from the old scgb but a forum also needs tlc.
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| andy wrote: |
Once again, I'd like to thank the SCGB for deciding my membership status for me, back in 2003 (or was it 2004). Saved me a few bob over the years.
With contributions like the above, I am glad.
Still waiting for that one magazine issue they forgot to send. Just binned all the other advertorials the other day while spring cleaning.
Clubs in the traditional sense are history. Facebook and informal gatherings are where it's at. |
Poor you and that had the last paid article by David Goldsmith in it, the A to Z of Zermatt.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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1304 posts, on a forum you don't want to be on.
Those polish guys who are going to replace you probably don't waste their time doing that , probably studying English and QS exams.
Best of luck.
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Forums don't just need TLC, they need racist pantomime villains to coagulate together against.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I value Snowheads and I value my membership of SCGB.
Both serve different purposes for me. I usually more than recover my SCGB fee via tour operator and retailer discounts. Snowheads provides me with access to informed information plus a constant source of amusement and tongue in cheek comment.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| Norrin Radd wrote: |
| Forums don't just need TLC, they need racist pantomime villains to coagulate together against. |
Of course anyone who voted for Brexit and/or has concerns about immigration will be labeled a racist on snowHeads. To be expected in a forum dominated by chalet pimps.
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@Norrin Radd, someone has to re-stoke the negativity. sH gave up caring years ago in the sH vs SCGB. Gerry (and other handles) wants to ensure it continues so he can blame sH.
damnit, we've been suckered again and are feeding the troll.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Norrin Radd, someone has to re-stoke the negativity. sH gave up caring years ago in the sH vs SCGB. Gerry (and other handles) wants to ensure it continues so he can blame sH.
damnit, we've been suckered again and are feeding the troll. |
Quick, Andy, PM all your mates for support, someone doesn't think much of sH and isn't afraid to say so. Can't have that, what what?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Gerry wrote: |
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| Forums don't just need TLC, they need racist pantomime villains to coagulate together against. |
Of course anyone who voted for Brexit and/or has concerns about immigration will be labeled a racist on snowHeads. To be expected in a forum dominated by chalet pimps. |
Possibly, I was referring to your actual opinions of poles on building sites, I am not calling you a racist because of your political views which may or may not make you a racist, I agree that it was possible to vote for Brexit for many other reasons. So be the racist you are without the whinge that you are labelled one for voting Brexit.
It would be refreshing if a racist stood up and admitted it.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@andy, I have no opinions on the scgb.
Equally I think forums benefit from broad views such as Stanton, Gerry, Goldsmith and that mental guy.
Equally Gerry coming on here moaning about people grouping together against him is like the school bully moaning when cornered by a group of children.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I would say that his opinions on everything would put me off the SCGB and hope he is rogue, not typical.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| Norrin Radd wrote: |
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| Forums don't just need TLC, they need racist pantomime villains to coagulate together against. |
Of course anyone who voted for Brexit and/or has concerns about immigration will be labeled a racist on snowHeads. To be expected in a forum dominated by chalet pimps. |
Possibly, I was referring to your actual opinions of poles on building sites, I am not calling you a racist because of your political views which may or may not make you a racist, I agree that it was possible to vote for Brexit for many other reasons. So be the racist you are without the whinge that you are labelled one for voting Brexit.
It would be refreshing if a racist stood up and admitted it. |
My views on Polish building workers are as follows:
1. They work as hard as the Brits.
2. They do just as good a job as the Brits.
3. They are generally very easy to work with, more so than a lot of Brits.
In fact those 3 points extend to the rest of the Eastern European building workers I have met. You are telling lies about me.
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| @sugardaddy, the turning point for me was the appointment of Junckers. In no way a reformer is he. I work with Eastern Europeans pretty much all the time now and do you know what their latest hobby is? Well, I'll tell you, it's using the NHS. Worried that they might have to return to the shitholes from whence they came, they are determined to be screened and treated for anything they can think off, all for free at the point of delivery, before that day comes. |
Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant in the above post.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Norrin Radd wrote: |
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| @sugardaddy, the turning point for me was the appointment of Junckers. In no way a reformer is he. I work with Eastern Europeans pretty much all the time now and do you know what their latest hobby is? Well, I'll tell you, it's using the NHS. Worried that they might have to return to the shitholes from whence they came, they are determined to be screened and treated for anything they can think off, all for free at the point of delivery, before that day comes. |
Sorry if I misunderstood what you meant in the above post. |
I'd be doing the same if I was them. Where's this racism directed at Poles? You're a liar.
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| Yep, I would probably be denied a passport (not Scottish enough) but a click of the fingers from Merkel and Scotland would take 100k Syrian rapists, no questions asked. Enjoy your 'independence'! |
I would say that labelling 100k Syrians as rapists might be viewed slightly racist? But happy to be put right.
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| Norrin Radd wrote: |
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| Yep, I would probably be denied a passport (not Scottish enough) but a click of the fingers from Merkel and Scotland would take 100k Syrian rapists, no questions asked. Enjoy your 'independence'! |
I would say that labelling 100k Syrians as rapists might be viewed slightly racist? But happy to be put right. |
My point there was that if Germany ordered Scotland to take 100k convicted sex offenders they would. Obviously not all Syrian man are rapists.
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achilles, Why would they accept lower wages ? In our area there is a real shortage of engineers, although JLR have an impact. In the building industry the European migrants will typically accept lower wages because they are still much higher than they'd get at home. From what I heard talking to many of them they also seem happy to live in cheap digs. It's hard to compete with people who have such low expectations and indeed their presence had driven prices down in certain areas. Of course the developers are happy to cry 'skills shortage' and encourage a flooding of the labour market. I had a contract in Uxbridge last year and was one of the very few English trades working there. ^ A good case can be made that the UK economy benefits from hard working eastern europeans doing less glamorous jobs the locals don't want to do. If you want to sort low wages then bring in a minimum living wage rather than blame EU migrants ? UK unemployment is below the long term average. Or the other way to stop this unneeded influx of migrant building worker is to vote to leave the EU. When it comes to the building industry, we aren't talking about 'low paid jobs that the local don't want to do' or a traditionally low paid industry. An awful lot of people will look at the way the building industry has been ruined for them personally and will then vote accordingly.
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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Your views not mine, by all means use the Farage, I am not a racist line.
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| Norrin Radd wrote: |
| achilles, Why would they accept lower wages ? In our area there is a real shortage of engineers, although JLR have an impact. In the building industry the European migrants will typically accept lower wages because they are still much higher than they'd get at home. From what I heard talking to many of them they also seem happy to live in cheap digs. It's hard to compete with people who have such low expectations and indeed their presence had driven prices down in certain areas. Of course the developers are happy to cry 'skills shortage' and encourage a flooding of the labour market. I had a contract in Uxbridge last year and was one of the very few English trades working there. ^ A good case can be made that the UK economy benefits from hard working eastern europeans doing less glamorous jobs the locals don't want to do. If you want to sort low wages then bring in a minimum living wage rather than blame EU migrants ? UK unemployment is below the long term average. Or the other way to stop this unneeded influx of migrant building worker is to vote to leave the EU. When it comes to the building industry, we aren't talking about 'low paid jobs that the local don't want to do' or a traditionally low paid industry. An awful lot of people will look at the way the building industry has been ruined for them personally and will then vote accordingly. |
I'm not blaming the migrants, you cretin, I'm blaming the system that drags huge numbers of working man away from their homelands and families.
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