 Poster: A snowHead
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As I've said a few times on here, there is no word in French for le faff 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Weathercam, yes there is - its 'déjeuner'
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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For those that don't like faff there is always the option to ski alone. It can be brilliantly liberating. Faff generally increases exponentially the more group members.
First day faff is IMV unavoidable. Getting all the stuff in all the the right pockets takes a system and memory.
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I don't get people who don't get faffing. I'm not much of a faffer myself but one or two of my ski group (totals 4) do a bit of faffing on occasion. So it wastes a few seconds or even as much as a minute but who really cares?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@halfhand, I do as it wastes valuable skiing time
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| @DJL, exactly. But I guess one just is a faffer, or not. I do faff a bit, but will simply build enough faff time into my pre-ski schedule. When on the mountain, I try to limit my faffing to coffee/lunch stops. (As my boots are getting a bit old, I now find myself having to fiddle with the clips more than I would like, having been accustomed for years to not touching them between the beginning and the end of each day). Again, when everyone has stopped, I aim to timetable my faffing to be ready when everyone else is. |
I think there are two kinds of faffers. There are those people who take a bit longer to do things, and who plan accordingly, e.g. setting off earlier than others in order to have extra time to adjust kit, or getting up earlier from a meal break in order to have a bit longer adjusting straps, buckles, rearranging the contents of one's rucksack, etc. Then there are those who only join the long queue for the loo as everyone else is getting their skis on after lunch, or who decide that what everyone else thinks is the very end of a short break is the best time to change gloves or put on an extra layer. I only think of the second kind as true faffers.
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| altis wrote: |
| Skitouring will soon show up who are the faffers. |
This... because they are ski touring! Touring is a faffers DREAM. All that extra kit to carry, plus food, water and bedding if you are overnighting, LOADS of extra faff modes on your boots to fiddle with and not have set juuuust right, backpacks, avi gear to constantly check on, skins to apply, reapply, dry, store and break out again after a 100m downhill bit! Such faffy fun!
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I only think of the second kind as true faffers.
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I think of them as inconsiderate!
I’m the first kind of faffer. But nobody noticed as I time my faffing done when the non-faffers are ready to go.
If I had to wait for the 2nd type of faffer for more than once, I leave without them.
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
For those that don't like faff there is always the option to ski alone. It can be brilliantly liberating. Faff generally increases exponentially the more group members.
First day faff is IMV unavoidable. Getting all the stuff in all the the right pockets takes a system and memory. |
Hat (helmet), goggles, gloves, lift-pass, map, phone, wallet, change, sun cream, Mars bar. Rolls off the tongue.
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Some faffers remain great value because of what else they bring to the party. Some are just a pain and a drain.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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I'd rather ski with a faffer than with a gauleiter.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@pam w, indeed. Our faffiest member was responsible for getting Mrs A and I into skiing and took a lot of care with us on our first holiday. But our patience was running very thin when he started dawdling in a high-risk avalanche zone. Our guide was unimpressed.
Another prime faffer managed to let their transceiver batteries run out on tour and, having no spares, had to ask around for more. Wrong in so many ways.
Last edited by And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. on Mon 24-04-23 17:40; edited 1 time in total
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| Richard_Sideways wrote: |
| altis wrote: |
| Skitouring will soon show up who are the faffers. |
This... because they are ski touring! Touring is a faffers DREAM. All that extra kit to carry, plus food, water and bedding if you are overnighting, LOADS of extra faff modes on your boots to fiddle with and not have set juuuust right, backpacks, avi gear to constantly check on, skins to apply, reapply, dry, store and break out again after a 100m downhill bit! Such faffy fun! |
Swap skis for splitboard and you have even more faff potential at each transition
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You know it makes sense.
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I'd rather ski with a faffer than with a gauleiter.
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+1 There's time to look around and take in your surroundings, take a deep breath, take a photo. The photo pholk are often guilty of a fair amount of faffing, but the results can often be worth it, and I can never get it together to tke decent photos.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@pam w, I always feel guilty asking for a photo stop, not least because my photos are usually so hopeless. I guess it's easier off-piste because people often have to ski one by one, so there are built-in opportunities for standing around.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| pam w wrote: |
| The photo pholk are often guilty of a fair amount of faffing, and the results never come close to compensating for the lost skiing time. |
FTFY
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
Swap skis for splitboard and you have even more faff potential at each transition |
But if there's no piste, what do you sit down in the middle of?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Is faffing inversely proportional to the experience of the skier?
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| Gordyjh wrote: |
| Is faffing inversely proportional to the experience of the skier? |
no
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Layne wrote: |
| @halfhand, I do as it wastes valuable skiing time |
But in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really though does it? You just need to have a bit of patience 
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| pam w wrote: |
| The photo pholk are often guilty of a fair amount of faffing, and the results never come close to compensating for the lost skiing time. |
There’s no such thing as “never”!
I used to do photography as a hobby. I can tell if the faffing is appropriate or not. If it is, and I’m not in a hurry to catch some particular condition (or particular light for my own photo), I tolerate a long faff by other “photo pholk”.
But my tolerance had occasionally been tested by a few who didn’t know what they were doing. They just kept on shooting at random angles and positions. Those I just ask them to catch up when they’re done and ski off.
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| 195062 wrote: |
| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
For those that don't like faff there is always the option to ski alone. It can be brilliantly liberating. Faff generally increases exponentially the more group members.
First day faff is IMV unavoidable. Getting all the stuff in all the the right pockets takes a system and memory. |
Hat (helmet), goggles, gloves, lift-pass, map, phone, wallet, change, sun cream, Mars bar. Rolls off the tongue. |
Lipbalm, facemask/spare buff, inner gloves, lock, gum, jelly beans, pocket meat...
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I once went away for a ski weekend with a colleague. He had all the latest kit and tech but his faffing with it was so next level that he didn't make it out at all on day 1.
On day 2 he made it out for an hour, at which point we realised he didn't actually enjoy or want to ski, he just really liked buying and optimising his ski kit.
Wasn't all bad though. I got to borrow his stuff and that made him happy because it justified his having bought it  win win.
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@abc, did you deliberately misquote me? 
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| pam w wrote: |
| @abc, did you deliberately misquote me? |
It looks like an honest mistake to me, overlooking my distortion of what you wrote in my ‘fixed that for you’ comment above. Or alternatively, quoting me but mistakenly attributing it to you.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| jmr59 wrote: |
| pam w wrote: |
| @abc, did you deliberately misquote me? |
It looks like an honest mistake to me, overlooking my distortion of what you wrote in my ‘fixed that for you’ comment above. Or alternatively, quoting me but mistakenly attributing it to you. |
Yes, I was quoting jmr59
To be precise, I was responding to the message, not the poster. So whoever it was can step up to take credit.
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| pam w wrote: |
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I'd rather ski with a faffer than with a gauleiter.
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+1 There's time to look around and take in your surroundings, take a deep breath, take a photo. The photo pholk are often guilty of a fair amount of faffing, but the results can often be worth it, and I can never get it together to tke decent photos. |
Surely nothing like that can compare to a Strava report of your o2Max stats for the day spent head down, joylessly pounding the miles out!?!
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| 195062 wrote: |
| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
For those that don't like faff there is always the option to ski alone. It can be brilliantly liberating. Faff generally increases exponentially the more group members.
First day faff is IMV unavoidable. Getting all the stuff in all the the right pockets takes a system and memory. |
Hat (helmet), goggles, gloves, lift-pass, map, phone, wallet, change, sun cream, Mars bar. Rolls off the tongue. |
Lipbalm, facemask/spare buff, inner gloves, lock, gum, jelly beans, pocket meat... |
There's a danger of being too weighed down to actually ski.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I don’t get why people need to take mars bars etc. By the time you’ve had breakfast & lunch, you’ve got to leave a bit of room for dinner…
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Gordyjh, my kids always used to take mini choc bars (and my grandchildren now do) because it was a damn sight cheaper than buying them lunch. The choc bars would keep them going till "chalet tea". Family lunches on the slopes are ruinously expensive if you're on a limited budget.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Faffing. Superb topic. Can be immensely frustrating but when you can step back and out of the cloud of frustration it gives you time to just enjoy life. Talk with your friends/enjoy the view/take an extra coffee...realising life is not worth stressing over, especially not when on holiday.
So I suppose I don't get those who get (and stay) annoyed with the faffers...
There are limits obviously...a whole day of faffing so not getting to ski is a little extreme
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@pam w, +1 - VT nearly killed us last week. We could've hired our own chef for what we paid on and off the slopes. 
My gripe is with people tearing around on greens as though they're on an obstacle course rather than an area full of beginners, children and others who for whatever reason can't be on the busier, faster slopes. It may be the only way to access other runs but it's no excuse for selfish skiing... Just slow down, it's not a race.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Gordyjh wrote: |
| I don’t get why people need to take mars bars etc. By the time you’ve had breakfast & lunch, you’ve got to leave a bit of room for dinner… |
Mrs Golf is a fainter. It's a thing. It's rare, but when it happens she needs I little lie down, fluids and an energy hit. I carry the one with nuts in it. More in keeping with my wife!
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| Hotdogger wrote: |
@pam w, +1 - VT nearly killed us last week. We could've hired our own chef for what we paid on and off the slopes.
My gripe is with people tearing around on greens as though they're on an obstacle course rather than an area full of beginners, children and others who for whatever reason can't be on the busier, faster slopes. It may be the only way to access other runs but it's no excuse for selfish skiing... Just slow down, it's not a race. |
Main problem with VT is that the flats at the bottom of town serve as both the bunniest of bunny slopes and the commuter route to most of the lifts. Really they should divide hem into a learning lane and a commuting lane
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| Main problem with VT is that idiots hoon it down the flats at the bottom of town with no regard for the learners skiing more slowly. Really they should ski with more care and respect |
FTFY
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| Hotdogger wrote: |
| VT nearly killed us last week. We could've hired our own chef for what we paid on and off the slopes. |
I confess that I didn't buy anything in VT last week. Had done a shop in Albertville on the Saturday for myself and rooms 19&20 and either took a sandwich with me or went back to my apartment for lunch. Had a pocket full of snacks with me too each day, body fat is so low at the end of the winter that I get hungry often.
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On busy weeks in French resorts the long lunch hour is the very best time to be out on the slopes. When everyone piles out of the restaurants, and the afternoon ski lessons begin, is probably the worst time!
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@rjs, I hadn't realised just how expensive VT is and we haven't self catered in a while either so got caught out by our naivety. Being a family of four, everyday cost a lot no matter what we did. If it had just been me I'd have lived on my preferred skiing diet of haribo and hot chocolate  .
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