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| Gerry wrote: |
AFAIK, the Club refuses to enter into two-way communication with him and that is unlikely to change for all eternity. |
As far as you know? You clearly need to know more, because 'knowledge is power'.
On 8 November 2015, at the London Ski Show (at Battersea Evolution) there was a perfectly pleasant 20-minute two-way communication between a SCGB membership promoter and the said person on the stand of the SCGB. That was to execute a membership application. A free Ortovox backpack was handed over to said person as a new member. The backpack contained a membership pack and membership card.
Photo of similar backpack: http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/news/story.aspx?storyID=9257#.VzRCz9UrLnA
There was then a cordial 1-hour two-way conversation between a senior SCGB executive and said person.
The following morning there was a two-way conversation between a very senior SCGB executive and said person, by phone.
The bank payment of the subscription fee was not processed by the SCGB. 'Said person' remains in possession of the backpack.
If that all equates to "the Club refuses to enter into two-way communication with him" then 'Davina Goldballs is a banana'.
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@Davina Goldballs, Perhaps you could offer to curate the library and archive?  |
The future curation of the Ski Club of Great Britain's library, archives and ski collection is certainly something to be discussed and developed. British skiers have played a critical role in the development of the sport in the Alps and Olympics etc., particularly in the late 19th century and first half of 20th century - most notably the work of Sir Arnold Lunn - and it would be good to see something exciting emerge. Digitisation of the library, photos and film collection would be a start. Maybe a modest British ski museum could emerge, possibly in mobile form so it wouldn't necessarily need an expensive permanent building.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Davina Goldballs, so, without paying anything, you got a free backpack and a membership card which you could, if you wanted, flash in certain shops to get a discount.
Most people would call that a result!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Oh dear, the crayons must be back in the box.
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
There was then a cordial 1-hour two-way conversation between a senior SCGB executive and said person. |
That I can believe.
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The following morning there was a two-way conversation between a very senior SCGB executive and said person, by phone.
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And also that.
They do really like to apply the personal touch to anyone who makes a big enough fuss.
Also, didn't you also get a phone call in spring/summer of 2015 after they'd heard you'd been unwell? Meanwhile, one of the Club's longest serving ski instructors who'd fractured her leg very badly, while working for the Club at the beginning of that season, didn't get a phone call. She got a card but not the personal call that you always seem to enjoy. Oh well, maybe it's a case of 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer'.
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| If that all equates to "the Club refuses to enter into two-way communication with him" then 'Davina Goldballs is a banana'. |
In that case, have you emailed them your latest enquirers? If not, why not? If yes, any reply? 
Oh yeah, while I remember, someone told me that they've sold Wimbledon HQ and are looking to rent offices, while using the released capital to buy property in the Alps.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Gerry wrote: |
while using the released capital to buy property in the Alps. |
A nice little property in France by any chance
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
| halfhand wrote: |
| @Davina Goldballs, Perhaps you could offer to curate the library and archive? |
The future curation of the Ski Club of Great Britain's library, archives and ski collection is certainly something to be discussed and developed. British skiers have played a critical role in the development of the sport in the Alps and Olympics etc., particularly in the late 19th century and first half of 20th century - most notably the work of Sir Arnold Lunn - and it would be good to see something exciting emerge. Digitisation of the library, photos and film collection would be a start. Maybe a modest British ski museum could emerge, possibly in mobile form so it wouldn't necessarily need an expensive permanent building. |
From what I've seem, that library is only relevant to skiing historians. I think the cost of digitising it was c. 200k back around 10yrs ago. There was a cheaper option which involved guillotining off the book spines and loading the pages into an automated scanning machine, thus destroying the books.
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From the previous page (108) 6 May 2016 ...
[quote="MOD"][MOD EDIT: This post was originally in response to other posts since deleted...]
This comment refers to material - posted from Mar-May 2016, removed from this thread.
| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
How about asking the SCGB rather than rhetorical questions on here? We get it, the SCGB is dying on its back bottom and making all students who go on a BUSC trip defacto members says nothing about said students intent or desire to continue being paid members. There will always be a core of loyal SCGB members (at least until they die/retire from skiing) but chances of them staying relevant to young and youngish adults seem vanishingly small. |
I'd stress that reasonable questions have been raised with the SCGB for the past quarter century. Since the Club's actions directly explain the foundation of snowHeads in 2004, it seems relevant to monitor the SCGB's behaviour. Questions have certainly been raised with the SCGB CEO since 2012 - this 28-page thread on Winterhighland gives you a 'taste' - obviously the 109 pages on here is a fuller meal ...
http://www.winterhighland.info/forum/read.php?2,148384
Two interesting issues from the first half of 2016 - the 15,000 student members "secured" by the SCGB, and the SCGB's sale of its headquarters building in Wimbledon - are worth reviewing ...
THE 15,000 STUDENT MEMBERS
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Ski Club targets 'most lucrative market'
Ski Club of Great Britain has secured 15,000 new student members after entering into an arrangement with group ski specialist Wasteland Ski. |
Full story: http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?news_id=2021339&c=setreg®ion=2
SELLING THE SCGB CLUBHOUSE IN WIMBLEDON - A £4M+ DEAL
The other key SCGB development this spring has been the club putting its HQ on the market for £4 million. The Ski Club produced this report on 1 June:
Full story: http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/news/story.aspx?storyID=9696#.V2Kmk9UrLnB
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The Ski Club is to sell its current premises in Wimbledon
The White House has been home to the Ski Club since 1997. In that time much of the operational needs of the Club have changed significantly ...
... The property is a valuable asset, representing over 80% of the Club’s net assets. The thinking is that it is therefore better to diversify the asset base, developing a more balanced portfolio in order to provide greater financial security for the future of the Club ...
... Council has taken the decision to move forward with the sale of the building, on the condition that a competitive price can be obtained, and the Club has now accepted an offer in excess of the sale price.
... The Club is currently looking for more suitable premises in the local area but expects to remain at the White House until mid-2017. |
Despite the acceptance of the offer [reported there on 1 June] the premises are still on the open market today [17 June] ...
https://propertylink.estatesgazette.com/property-details/6130237-the-white-house-57-63-church-road
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For Sale
£4,000,000.00
The White House, 57 - 63 Church Road
Office, Offices , 7705 Sq Ft |
Perhaps a property expert could shine some light on that.
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It isnt unusual for a property to still be advertised after an offer has been accepted, frequently due to failure by the advertising media to remove the add before the publication date even though the offer is on the table.
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Give the agent a ring to see if its still available. Maybe put in a sneaky offer. Wouldnt you love to own the building they are in?
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Does the potential new owner know that the White House is haunted by a troubled spirit, ill at rest, who can often be heard rattling cages, dragging around a massive chip and forever searching for his lost membership...
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| Does the potential new owner know that the White House is haunted by a troubled spirit, ill at rest, who can often be heard rattling cages, dragging around a massive chip and forever searching for his lost membership... |
He's like a poltergeist, it's not the building he's haunting, just the occupants. They move and he moves with them.
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| It isnt unusual for a property to still be advertised after an offer has been accepted, frequently due to failure by the advertising media to remove the add before the publication date even though the offer is on the table. |
You must be joking. Having had its £4m+ offer accepted, do you seriously believe the prospective purchasers did not ensure the property was off the market while it pursued an exchange of contracts?
One is obviously left wondering if the offer fell through. I'm surprised the SCGB is providing a running commentary on this. Surely the important thing is to report a sale - NOT the 'acceptance of an offer'.
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| Does the potential new owner know that the White House is haunted by a troubled spirit, ill at rest, who can often be heard rattling cages, dragging around a massive chip and forever searching for his lost membership... |
I'm not sure who you're referring to here. If it's the ghost of Sir Arnold Lunn, I should think you're quite right. He must have been parallel-turning in his grave for several decades, reflecting on the huge efforts and successes of the SCGB through to the 1950s ... proven by the huge legacy of ski publishing in those first 5 decades of the club.
Here's some recent stuff put out for the 15,000 student members of the Ski Club of Great Britain ... via its 'Line-S' division ...
THE TRUTH ABOUT BRITS ABROAD by Hannah Goddard
https://www.line-s.co.uk/hannahs-content/the-truth-about-brits-abroad/
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| ‘Freddie got absolutely s**tfaced last night - we found him passed out on the hotel balcony’ ... Perhaps in this case we do take it too far – but there’s just something so thrilling about going abroad, losing all inhibitions and running riot. This ridiculous British desire to compete across the globe for the title of ‘lad’ simply can’t be explained, nor cured. Our response: Classic. |
"SCGB EMAILS STUDENTS WITH PHOTOS OF NAKED SKIERS"
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SKI.HUB/permalink/1746628005623964/
http://cdn.uploadlibrary.com/SkiclubofGB/Hero-Image.jpg
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBh9SNQMRqF/
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SCGB chairman Rob Crowder commented on Line-S, in the Club's 2015 annual report:
"We have created a new brand “Line-S” and are working in the first year exclusively with Wasteland Ski to roll this out to their circa 15,000 clients. In future years we will refine the offering and work with other tour operators also specialising in the university market. Our challenge in
subsequent years will be to maintain engagement with this new and younger market, in order to have a life-time offering and relationship with them." |
Source: SCGB 2015 Report and Accounts: http://www.skiclub.co.uk/assets/files/documents/report_and_accounts_2015_final.pdf
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You know it makes sense.
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| It isnt unusual for a property to still be advertised after an offer has been accepted, frequently due to failure by the advertising media to remove the add before the publication date even though the offer is on the table. |
You must be joking. Having had its £4m+ offer accepted, do you seriously believe the prospective purchasers did not ensure the property was off the market while it pursued an exchange of contracts?
One is obviously left wondering if the offer fell through. I'm surprised the SCGB is providing a running commentary on this. Surely the important thing is to report a sale - NOT the 'acceptance of an offer'.
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If they'd said nothing you'd be complaining that not enough information was being given. Anyway, you asked for some expert opinion and got some. So sorry it wasn't the answer you wanted and not the one that best suits your agenda.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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This is nothing to do with 'volume of information' - it's about 'accuracy of information'.
THE SCGB WHITE HOUSE - for sale, under offer, or sold?
Oct 2015. SCGB chairman Rob Crowder commented in the SCGB's 2015 annual report:
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"We are also reviewing our freehold office premises in Wimbledon, which
represent by far the largest financial asset of the Club. We have received several independent professional appraisals of the property and believe it would be in the best interests of members to seek to realise the hidden reserves represented in the value of the property and to relocate to more suitable premises. The current property is inefficient in layout and utilisation of space and in need of some serious renovations ..." |
1 June 2016. SCGB reports:
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| Therefore, Council has taken the decision to move forward with the sale of the building, on the condition that a competitive price can be obtained, and the Club has now accepted an offer in excess of the sale price. [£4 milion] |
Source: http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/news/story.aspx?storyID=9696#.V2k3eNUrLnB
3 June 2016. PlanetSki reports:
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| The Ski Club of Great Britain has sold its HQ in Wimbledon |
Source: http://www.planetski.eu/news/8010
21 June 2016 [today]
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| For Sale. £4,000,000.00 ... "The property is predominantly used as an office building and is part owner occupied, part tenanted." |
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Davina Goldballs wrote: |
This is nothing to do with 'volume of information' - it's about 'accuracy of information'.
THE SCGB WHITE HOUSE - for sale, under offer, or sold?
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The Club's accepted an offer, so we must assume that the sale is now in the hands of solicitors acting for both sides. Thus far I've seen no evidence to the contrary. You should stop making things up.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Davina Goldballs, Commercial property sales can drag on longer than house sales. I wouldn't worry, it could take unto 18 months or more to finalise, if you were selling it surely you would want to advertise it as available until the money is in your pocket.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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He's on to something. It's a bally outrage. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. I say report it to the authorities. Who's the proper authority with regard to skiing in Great Britain? The Ski Club! Somebody report it to the Club without delay!
And to think, I had him pegged as the village idiot.
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Show me a direct link to a vendor who has it on their books who I can call to make an offer?
They have officially said that they will be in the office till mid 2017 so there obviously going to be contractual and commercial dealings to be closed.
Under offer/subject to contract in English law is one thing, they may have accepted the inital circa 4 mill offer and be going through the motions, but if someone offered them 4.5 mill cash then it's in their members interest to consider is it not.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Show me a direct link to a vendor who has it on their books who I can call to make an offer?
They have officially said that they will be in the office till mid 2017 so there obviously going to be contractual and commercial dealings to be closed.
Under offer/subject to contract in English law is one thing, they may have accepted the inital circa 4 mill offer and be going through the motions, but if someone offered them 4.5 mill cash then it's in their members interest to consider is it not. |
I am still awaiting those links to the agency(ies) where it's advertised?
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Changing subjects, just a tad ...
Is there any news on this year's SCGB summer party ... normally hosted at the Hurlingham Club?
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There isn't one this year.
Right, no more posts for you today, you've had enough.
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| There isn't one this year. |
No summer ball?  There's always a summer ball! Why isn't it happening?
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Because they've sold the assets and all the 'staff' will be going on a long summer break with the proceeds.
(well that's what certain quarters may suggest at least which almost certainly has no relation to reality) 
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| There isn't one this year. |
No summer ball? There's always a summer ball! Why isn't it happening? |
They didn't sell enough tickets to break even last year and ended up giving a load away to has-beens, industry hangers-on and jouralist spongers.
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@Gerry, ah, OK. So rather than analyzing expectations, marketing, costs, pricing etc they decided not to put on an event at all.
Now they've recruited all these students, perhaps next year a festival in a field may be the answer? 
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@Gerry, which are you?
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| @Gerry, which are you? |
I paid for my ticket, so none of the above. How about a you?
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You know it makes sense.
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A me? Not a member so NFI'd.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@Gerry, ah, OK. So rather than analyzing expectations, marketing, costs, pricing etc they decided not to put on an event at all.
Now they've recruited all these students, perhaps next year a festival in a field may be the answer? |
I suspect lots of student jollie are being planned.
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@Gerry, move with the times, a Ceilidh would be a lot more fun than a Summer Ball, and cheaper too
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| On the rocks wrote: |
| @Gerry, move with the times, a Caleigh would be a lot more fun than a Summer Ball, and cheaper too |
I could agree more.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| On the rocks wrote: |
| @Gerry, move with the times, a Caleigh would be a lot more fun than a Summer Ball, and cheaper too |
Personally, I'd prefer a Ceilidh
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...a Caleigh would be a lot more fun...
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Since when did SCGB have anything to do with "fun". Crass "Fun" is for children and dirty dirty snowboarders, not skiers dontchaknowthankyouverymuch. Authorised, sanitary and informative entertainments are available from your local SCGB rep, such as the Streeb Greebling lecture series on cable binding maintenance and the always favoured Wimbledon box social and Womble Upping.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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...a Caleigh would be a lot more fun...
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Since when did SCGB have anything to do with "fun". Crass "Fun" is for children and dirty dirty snowboarders, not skiers dontchaknowthankyouverymuch. Authorised, sanitary and informative entertainments are available from your local SCGB rep, such as the Streeb Greebling lecture series on cable binding maintenance and the always favoured Wimbledon box social and Womble Upping. |
Careful with posts like that! A lot of the old bags and old farts of snowHead land have very low humour thresholds and precious little bladder control to go with it. You could be the cause of many a ruined mattress this morning.
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| Gerry Aitken wrote: |
| A lot of the old bags and old farts of snowHead land have very low humour thresholds and precious little bladder control ... |
Well, Gerry, without wishing to 'take the bladder content' ... you don't exactly come across as a force of rejuvenation within the 'Ski Club of the Living Dead'.
Have we missed something ... over the past 15 years?
The SCGB has indulged you with masses of [expenses paid? it was never clear*] skiing in Europe and North America - as a representative and leader - and served you with two terms (7 years total) as Council member/director. You've been chairman of the SCGB New Media Task Force - it's said with a budget of £100,000 per annum - to upgrade the SCGB website, restore its pre-eminence in social media, and set up what was to be the best ski news service on the block.
You're welcome to summarise your key achievements and to give us a steer as to where the Club's going. This is a great PR opportunity.
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* See [from p.96 of this thread]: http://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=94856&start=3800#2673511
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@Davina Goldballs, I don't answer to you but, out of interest, who said I had a 100k budget? Apart from you, I don't think anyone has ever said that, probably because it wasn't the case. Just to be clear, my little committee just made some suggestions and had no operational budget. We didn't even run up a single penny in expenses. We even supplied our own tea and coffee.
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Taking last season as an example, I went to Chamonix for two weeks. The Club booked and paid for my flights, I sorted out the transfers and didn't claim the money back. I stayed in a studio flat owned by a couple who are Club members and the Club paid them for that directly. I drove the group around in a hire van that the Club paid for. I had a credit card for the tunnel, but didn't get it until the end of the first week so had to pay for a couple of return trips which I didn't bother to claim for. Lift pass was supplied free by the Chamonix Mont Blanc lift company. Oh yeah, food. Dinner was at the hotel where the members stayed and the Club paid for that directly. The very small amount of wine I had with dinner each night, I paid for myself. Any other details about my life you want to know about?
Anyway, that's enough posting for you for today, I think you've had enough now.
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Show me a direct link to a vendor who has it on their books who I can call to make an offer?
They have officially said that they will be in the office till mid 2017 so there obviously going to be contractual and commercial dealings to be closed.
Under offer/subject to contract in English law is one thing, they may have accepted the inital circa 4 mill offer and be going through the motions, but if someone offered them 4.5 mill cash then it's in their members interest to consider is it not. |
I am still awaiting those links to the agency(ies) where it's advertised? |
Question I asked has still not been answered, show me the agent listing the property David (not the property press who show the listings the agent had) and I will find out if they are accepting offers (which they aren't afaiu).
No malice, no axe just give me the info and I will do the leg work and report back.
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Dear dear me, you do seem to be in a muddle over just about everything, don't you.
The NMTG was in existence from Sept 2006 until Sept 2007. I retired as a Council member in Nov 2008. The working group that oversaw the website development was Chaired by CS-T, and started its work IIRC some time in 2010. By the time I rejoined the Council in Nov 2011, the website project was nearing completion.
Once again, for the record: my task group had no budget to spend on anything and didn't even claim a penny in expenses.
Are you happy with that explanation?
Right, that's it for snowHeads for you for today, you've had enough.
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