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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Mike Pow, True, best to stick to knackered Legend Pros or Volkl Explosivs if you want the universal hook-up.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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fatbob,
I rented a pair of these "Explosives" in Verbier back in the ... dare I say it in 1996 ... had great fun in the deep stuff which was all ober the place for most of the week.
The oddest thing was that my German mate Willy ... always called em "fatbob, s" !
There you go a ski named after you!
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Piccadilly, out of interest what are the 78mm rockered skis you have ?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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nickH, I'm a laydeee, they are 2012 Dynastar Exclusive Legend Idylls. Brilliant skis.
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Piccadilly, thanks for that, interested to see what the boys equivalent is.
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Piccadilly, Shorter radius doesn't give any benefit in moguls. It allows for easie tighter turns on piste, but skiing moguls is different from piste skiing.
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never summer, fair enough, was just a guess!
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| Piccadilly wrote: |
| Megamum, I would have thought the WaveMagics because the shorter turn radius will help you whip round the moguls more easily. |
You don't want to carve in moguls, you want to keep the skis flat and 'twist' them. Aggressive sidecut makes it relatively harder to do this, go for the larger turn radius.
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Alright alright, as I said, it was just a guess FFS!
At least I bothered replying so she eventually got a response, even though it was just from people correcting me.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| Piccadilly wrote: |
| Megamum, I would have thought the WaveMagics because the shorter turn radius will help you whip round the moguls more easily. |
You don't want to carve in moguls, you want to keep the skis flat and 'twist' them. Aggressive sidecut makes it relatively harder to do this, go for the larger turn radius. |
I was on a mogul coaches and competition judges course a couple of weeks ago and was surprised that part of the scoring criteria for the turns for comp bumps skiers these days is that they carve in the bumps and don't just slap the skis off the front of the bump and 'air turn'. Apparently they wanted to get rid of that approach as: and I quote my coach, "the guys with the biggest thighs were winning the comps"
Obviously they are not going to be 'pure' carving but they are looking for more these days than flat-ish ski pivoting.
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You know it makes sense.
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So maybe I wasn't totally wrong then...?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| snowball wrote: |
At one time I used to take 2 sets of skis - my first medium fat skis plus narrow race skis, but I found I never used the piste skis since I was almost never on piste. On the other hand, really deep, light powder off piste is fairly rare in Europe so I've never thought about fat skis at all.
Now you can't take 2 pairs on most airlines so I can't take a second pair even if I wanted to. I'm afraid I have lost touch with the names and characteristics of all piste skis (and most others). I only have to think about changing my skis about every 6 years.
I find my skis carve well on piste as long as it isn't icy. About once a year, though, I ski an icy slope and think - I wonder if I could have carved that on different skis. I must confess it might be fun one day to spend a couple of hours skiing modern race skis - but I don't know when I'll fit it in.
The only people I see ski 95% of the time are my own group and if I'm briefly skiing on piste I'm concentrating on avoiding other skiers as I weave through, so I'm not looking at their feet. I have no idea what skis people ski in relation to their ability. Perhaps they do attempt to ski off piste on their wide skis. If they have money perhaps they have aspirations to Heli-ski.
And yes, of course I thought this thread would be about fat people. Since it isn't in the equipment forum, didn't everyone? That was the hook, wasn't it? |
Well put. There's so much rubbish talked about skis these days. Some of the best skiers I know have been skiing the same skis for the last five years (and wearing the same kit, come to that, day in, day out, but that's another thread). I've learnt to think about what I want a pair of skis to do, buy the best pair for that job, and learn how to use them, regardless of the conditions.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Piccadilly, maybe  But pivoting is still the most common technique and the one easier to start with.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| clarky999 wrote: |
| You don't want to carve in moguls, you want to keep the skis flat and 'twist' them. |
Not sure about twisting.
It may OK to say that to someone who knows how to ski bumps and won't confuse rotation with twisting, but on SH's ??
The way to think about bumps skiing is "try" and get a series of short radius turns (where ever you have chosen - tops, dips, sides, etc) with as much absorption as needed to keep the skis on the floor and maintain the line. The absorption and edge will (should/may) control the speed.
| skir67 wrote: |
| Or you could just GS the bumps. |
Back in the day, we used to do long rad GS turns in the bumps on BASI courses, till someone pointed out how stupid an idea it was.
Enough of this thread drift, back to the fats v skinnies debate.
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I always think these threads are funny, as people clamour for others' support of their ski width choice.
I'm in the fattish ski brigade, but I've also seen instructors who could ski rings around me on 70-something waisted waifs. I'm happier on the wider skis and that's what counts for me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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horizon, This is exactly the point. It's not the ski, so whichever width you prefer. I know someone skiing Hellbents everywhere. Including on one foot when he lost the ski (not in a fall) and had to ski down ungroomed itinerary. Likewise people on GS skis, SL skis or even old style straight ones. Everything goes.
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| Wayne wrote: |
| clarky999 wrote: |
| You don't want to carve in moguls, you want to keep the skis flat and 'twist' them. |
Not sure about twisting.
It may OK to say that to someone who knows how to ski bumps and won't confuse rotation with twisting, but on SH's ??
The way to think about bumps skiing is "try" and get a series of short radius turns (where ever you have chosen - tops, dips, sides, etc) with as much absorption as needed to keep the skis on the floor and maintain the line. The absorption and edge will (should/may) control the speed.
| skir67 wrote: |
| Or you could just GS the bumps. |
Back in the day, we used to do long rad GS turns in the bumps on BASI courses, till someone pointed out how stupid an idea it was.
Enough of this thread drift, back to the fats v skinnies debate. |
They had us trying to GS the bumps on this recent course too, which was entertaining as the bumps were actually zip/rut lines. I don't think it's a stupid idea as it shows massive versatility in being able to ski in a way that is completely at odds to what the terrain dictates.
However I think GS'ing normal bumps is a bit more realistic than rut lines for sure.
Back to skinny versus fat.........
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OK skir67, thread drift alert
It really is a REALLY bad idea. There is absolutely no reason to GS a bumps field EVER.
Whilst it may show that you can do it, it also demonstrates (to the student of anyone asking you to do it) that the instructor/assessor has run out of ideas on either assessment criteria or lesson themes. In which case either a talk to the ski school (if on holiday) or a meeting the Trainer’s supervisor (if on a BASI course) would be the correct course of action.
What is the primary consideration of running any lesson – SEL (in that order, always), zipping a bumps run runs contrary to the “S”. OK on BASI course the E may be missing (waiting for the puns) but the S and L should still be there.
We all fall over now and again in the bumps, but we still do em, as their fun. They challenge your ability in many of the skills involved in more sedate skiing, but at a much faster rate – in fact it’s a truism that people can’t ski bumps because they can’t ski. The ability to ski a good bumps line at an appropriate speed is a good demonstration of overall ability.
But bumps fields are dangerous places if taken at an inappropriate speed. The undulations in the terrain mean that any fall at a high speed will almost certainly result in a higher risk of serious injury that if the same incident had happened in a more appropriate testing area.
I say again. A student or assessee should NEVER be coerced into GS’ing bumps. If you want to do it on your own, fine go for but don’t encourage others to either in a lesson or assessment.
I have some mega pictures of me (taken by Mrs_W) hucking some cliffs (nothing bigger than 5m - coz I'm a wimp), should I use this is a lesson to teach people how to absorb a drop? No. I will guarantee that some BSI trainers can huck maybe 10, 20 or even 30m, but just as something can be done, doesn't mean it should be. Back in the day I was on a course with Dave Renuf and he had the habit of doing back flips with a 360' of the edge of the piste (coz he could and it was fun), but he would never bring this into the assessment criteria, as the risk of a broken neck was just unacceptable. It’s the same with GS’ing bumps. 99% of BASI's (L3 & 4 and even some 1 and 2') can do it, but should it be taken into account if you can’t (or choose not to)?
Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports... on Mon 29-10-12 14:31; edited 1 time in total
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What is SEL please?
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I love my old Salomon GS skis from about 94-95 and skid on only them untill last year when I bought a few new pairs (new for me they were still about 6-8years old) but all of these new pairs were about twice as fat as the old ones. None of them compare on smooth groomers but my god what a difference in the heavy crud and everywhere off piste.
Last time I used them some old guy in the lift queue asked me if Id robbed a museum to get hold of them 
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| Mike Pow wrote: |
| What is SEL please? |
Safety, Enjoyment, Learning.
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Going by the amount of fun I had on dedicated piste skis last season (Salomon 24hrs) I fail to see why anyone would use anything else if they're staying on the groomed stuff. I have used a pair of big-mountain floorboards on-piste and they were hard going but, predictably, fabulous in the areas for which they were designed.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| rob@rar wrote: |
| Mike Pow wrote: |
| What is SEL please? |
Safety, Enjoyment, Learning. |
Thanks.
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After my luck with finding soft snow for the last two years I'm after a pair of GS'y carving type skis for on and off piste use.
They will be used to try a GS line through the bumps too
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You know it makes sense.
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I've had my midlife fat crisis and it's great. Skiing is for fun and skiing on ice is no fun whatever your ski. So avoid ice and the sort of places you're likely to get it like overcrowded runs with man made snow and embrace fatties as they make nearly every other type of snow more fun. I dream about slushy bumps, crud, mashed potato, and less than perfect fresh snow now! I got some Icelantic Shamans off Fleabay. They have got to be some of the wackiest looking skis and they make you giggle when you remember how difficult some snow could be on skinny skis and they make it rediculously easy. They do have more of a waist than most fat skis though-don't know if this makes a difference. You've got to be some some kind of masochist weirdo to want to ski on ice.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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BertieG, I like ice. Nothing that a decently sharp set of edges can't make fun.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| BertieG wrote: |
| You've got to be some some kind of masochist weirdo to want to ski on ice. |
Well I tend to avoid ice but I can see that the challenge of carving on it could be satisfying. However, I don't have stiff enough skis (I think the stiffness is more important than the narrowness).
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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BertieG,
+1 for liking the stuff. It certainly adds to the excitement and helps to focus the mind.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Can't say I'm in love with it myself- if we're talking about the blue/grey shiny stuff! 
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gatecrasher, Why the username if you don't like a nice bit of race snow ?
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| rjs wrote: |
| gatecrasher, Why the username if you don't like a nice bit of race snow ? |
rjs, The "crasher" bit is what's relevant here!
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It is quite useful to be able to vary your turnshape when skiing bumps/offpiste and be able to do larger radius turns while still having the ability to absorb the moguls and stay in balance. Instructors have told me this before and it helped me lots. Might not be 100% safe to do bigger turns in moguls but surely it is a judgement call based on the conditions, the student and the bumps.
Equipment snobbery is laughable. If you are a good skier then you will still be a good skier if you use some different shaped skis. Might take awhile to adapt but it will show in time. I love the skis I have for what I do and that's that.
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As I ve gotten older I have found myself appreciative of all models. When in my younger years I used to love going hammer and tong on narrow waisted ones with a bit of shape to them, but nowadays i c ant afford to pay for racy models and find myself going anywhere for a bit of fun and fat ones seem to do the job just as well. My Mrs has always liked long skinny ones but then again she says stiff fat ones do it for her too.
Moguls ?? ... What is this thread about ... 
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| never summer wrote: |
| Everything goes. |
With the notable exception of blades ....
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With the notable exception of blades ....
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Totally forgot about those... they are becoming very rare maybe that's why...
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Oh, dear, I didn't realise a simple question would be so controversial. I know it is not necessarily the case, but I tend to associate a narrower waist with a smaller turn radius and I associate moguls with needing smaller radius turns, hence would my narrower skis with their smaller turn radius be easier in moguls. However, it seems it is not that cut and dried.
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