 Poster: A snowHead
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little tiger, I was resisting the temptation. 
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Lizzard, I was overcome 
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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rayscoops, not every teacher leaves school at 18 and goes straight into teacher training. VERY few teachers (can't ever remember one in fact) have complained on here that it's a chore taking a ski trip away.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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little tiger, you called?
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[quote="rayscoops"]the real world[/unquote]
Where is that, I wonder? It usually means 'that bit of the world which I inhabit and bits very like it.'. From what I've seen of most people who work in what might be called 'the real world', I doubt that teachers would gain much from it.
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| rather than existing in the vacuum of the education employment system |
I daresay that education employment is a pretty uninspiring place, but the idea that there is something special to be gained by experiencing the 'real world' seems a bit rose tinted to put it mildly.
If recent events in the 'real world' are anything to go by, the less exposure people have to it the better. It appears to run by a bunch of delusional halfwits, and I am certainly not restricting that description to bankers and politicians; so called businessmen and managers are no more living in the 'real world' than teachers.
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rayscoops, well possibly at those times you ought to resist making superficial poorly-informed judgements about a whole group of people. Although it is nice to see it isn't just GPs who you talk insulting rubbish about. 
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Last year we stayed in a Tines hotel that specialised in school trips. The company had in house gear, arranged the instruction, and was full board. There were 3 schools in the hotel, just normal state schools. The kids were a credit to the nation and were wonderfully marshalled by the teachers. It was a pleasure to witness.
No way was this a "freebie". The teachers were on active duty 17 hrs a day and slept the rest if they were lucky. I hope they got some free ski time as they certainly deserved it. Me, I would rather pay. A fantastic opportunty for the children and an event I would love my kids to be part of.
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Oh goody, is this a game? Shall we throw a few lawyers into the pot?
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Hurtle, and where is Latchigo when you need him 
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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We never had foreign school trips from my school and, even if we had, my parents wouldn't have been able to afford them, (although they did take us abroad themselves.) Lucky kids if they have any opportunity at all to start skiing as children, even in a small resort. I didn't.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| stoatsbrother, I do find that teachers/lawyers/social workers and the like etc. are so wrapped up in what they do that they tend to live in their own little bubble, and can rarely agree on anything between themselves. |
Isn't that the same for all groups of professionals? You've been in Bend zee Knees haven't you? I work with a lot of teachers and don't see any difference in their view of the world outside of teaching to any other people I know.
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You know it makes sense.
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chrisdavis, I believe the original post was bit of a moan and was inviting comments  |
I thought the original post was a bit of an ironic comment at the occasional teacher-bashing we see on the forum.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| stoatsbrother, I do find that teachers/lawyers/social workers and the like etc. are so wrapped up in what they do that they tend to live in their own little bubble, and can rarely agree on anything between themselves. |
Isn't that true of any profession worth the name? It is that sort of obsessive interest in what other people find unutterably dull/incomprehensible that makes them useful. Agreed, it tends to make them poor company in the pub if they don't have the good manners to recognise when there are people around who don't share their interest, but I don't agree that it is in itself bad.
I'm sure we could all learn more about other peoples lives and work, but the idea that there is some sort of 'real world' which some of us inhabit and some of us don't is illusory.
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Poster: A snowHead
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rob@rar, richmond, yes it is, but teachers teach kids and are rarely wrong in their day to day work, they go through their work lives mainly being correct by the nature of their 'teacher to pupil' relationship, similarly lawyers and doctors are the same and do not take criticism very well, and do not like even being questioned on their professional opinion.
You can tell an accountant that you will not take their advice and they will accept it, similarly you can tell an architect that you do not like their design and they will accept and understand your view because this happens on a day to day basis, but teachers (doctors/lawyers etc) primarily spend their working lives from a position of mostly being correct and, I believe, are just not used to be being told they are wrong, and they have a habit of taking this attitude out of the classroom/surgery/chambers and in to the 'real world'.
Note - lawyers are only ever at best 50% correct, as one will always win and one will always lose
edit - and in the 'real world' no one except teachers say something to you and then repeat again to you in case you did not hear it in the first place they are a strange bunch imhv lecturers are funny though
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Note - lawyers are only ever at best 50% correct, as one will always win and one will always lose |
if thats the case, why do some lawyers charge more than others. Im sure the richer you are, the more chance you have of winning
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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dz4d1v, I was talking about lawyers as a profession as a whole, agreed some win more than others but it all averages out in the end. It was a joke though
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Note - lawyers are only ever at best 50% correct, as one will always win and one will always lose
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Another untrue generalisation. Most cases are settled well before court and the clients are usually driving the ones which do not, often in the face of legal advice.
The real world being the one where we all make artistic glass for a living?  Sorry, not knocking it, but a classroom in Peckham seems more real to me.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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beequin, just a hobby
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rayscoops,
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You can tell an accountant that you will not take their advice and they will accept it, similarly you can tell an architect that you do not like their design and they will accept and understand your view because this happens on a day to day basis, but teachers (doctors/lawyers etc) primarily spend their working lives from a position of mostly being correct and, I believe, are just not used to be being told they are wrong, and they have a habit of taking this attitude out of the classroom/surgery/chambers and in to the 'real world'.
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This is an unjustified generalisation (I hope). If I give (sorry, gave) an opinion either on the law or on a proposed course of action, I would give my reasons for that opinion and then leave it to the client to decide. Free country. The bit in italics is important, though: if a lawyer or a doctor can't explain his reasoning, in a manner which the client will understand, he's not a good lawyer or doctor, IMHO. I'm all for free choice, but you've got to explain what the choices are.
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rayscoops
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beequin, just a hobby
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Very nice too.
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| rob@rar, richmond, yes it is, but teachers teach kids and are rarely wrong in their day to day work, they go through their work lives mainly being correct by the nature of their 'teacher to pupil' relationship, similarly lawyers and doctors are the same and do not take criticism very well, and do not like even being questioned on their professional opinion. |
I think you've probably not been involved in schools for a long time. There is a huge accountability mechanism in place in schools, with external inspections of classroom practice, internal observations of classroom practice, peer group mentoring and lots of informal feedback from colleagues. Nobody likes being questioned on their professional practice but the teaching profession has recognised how important this is and has built it in to the normal routine of the school.
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| rayscoops wrote: |
but teachers (doctors/lawyers etc) primarily spend their working lives from a position of mostly being correct and, I believe, are just not used to be being told they are wrong, and they have a habit of taking this attitude out of the classroom/surgery/chambers and in to the 'real world'.
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What work do you do? I'm sure I could come up with some stereotypical crap to offend you without giving it too much thought - as you've done here.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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chrisdavis, I find teachers also do not have much of a sense of humour and are often in denial about all sorts of things
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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rob@rar, yes teachers do have to 'jump through loads of hoops' these days, too many in my view, and they do a tough job and do it well, but of all the people I know, teachers tend to be the ones who are least likely to put their hands up and say 'I am wrong', and I believe that is because they are just not used to doing so because they are invariably correct in what they do on a day to day basis as a profession, except PE teachers who are not caught up in the 'teaching bubble' as much as the rest.
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rayscoops, oh dear. Sorry to hear of your bad experiences. I used to deal with Masons quite a bit - very good firm. McKennas were more variable. (This is a while back.)
By the way, I'm sure that you offer up your criticism with the utmost tact, and not so as to rile people, or show them up unnecessarily. Criticism attractively served is, of course, always easier to digest.
On the other hand, this
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| chrisdavis, I find teachers also do not have much of a sense of humour and are often in denial about all sorts of things |
despite your smiley, is a gratuitously offensive troll. QED my previous point, perhaps?
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You know it makes sense.
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Hurtle, agreed
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| rayscoops wrote: |
| but of all the people I know, teachers tend to be the ones who are least likely to put their hands up and say 'I am wrong', and I believe that is because they are just not used to doing so because they are invariably correct in what they do on a day to day basis as a profession |
I think there's a big difference between saying "I am wrong, full stop" and taking on board a number of suggestions from professional colleagues to improve one's practice. There is rarely a case of right or wrong in education (unlike the law?) so I'm not sure that teachers saying "I am wrong" is an entirely sensible proposition. But typically I would say that the teachers I've worked with, and the system as a whole, is probably more open to constructive criticism than other people/institutions I work with.
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Poster: A snowHead
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rob@rar, I meant in a pub/social type environment - they will argue until the cows come home - (and I therefore sometimes think I would make a good teacher ), but I am sure teachers would accept instruction in skiing/driving/scuba etc. in the same manner as any one else.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| rob@rar, I meant in a pub/social type environment |
Either entertaining or frustrating I'm sure, but entirely irrelevant to professional practice.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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stoatsbrother, oh dear. Again. I wish I could say that reporting him to the Law Society would be a useful thing to do. It wouldn't. 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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stoatsbrother, we have already had it
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Boredsurfing, absolutely correct. (I was very, very expensive. )
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Hurtle, So next time I need a quick conveyance ....
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it is perhaps similar with us snowheads when viewed by outsiders 
