 Poster: A snowHead
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@phil_w, I had the impression most ski shops in resorts (and here) sent skis brought into them to a central workshop which did them en masse.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| snowball wrote: |
| ... I had the impression most ski shops in resorts (and here) sent skis brought into them to a central workshop which did them en masse. |
If you can't see the machine....
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I had the impression most ski shops in resorts (and here) sent skis brought into them to a central workshop which did them en masse. |
I do not know about the UK but if you visit most ski shops in France in the evening you will see them servicing skis.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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All of the major ski hire shops here in our small valley have modern machines including at least 2 of the latest top end Wintersteiger all singing all dancing machines. The smaller shops all have some machinery for edge sharpening etc but will take them to the bigger shops if a base grind is required. The hire skis go into the machine which is set for minimum pressure after every weeks hire, if less than a week they are assessed and usually just put in without the grind. Quite a few of the local race club have started using the machine for servicing, something that wouldn't have happened just 5 years ago.
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@johnE, I think that depends. Concept Pro in Chamonix have a very nice business servicing for other shops on their Wintersteiger.
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| Layne wrote: |
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| I have tried to do all repairs and service myself since then, though it is hard to know what to do with the multitude of smaller scratches and medium scratches going almost end to end. |
You don't need to do anything unless it's a design gouge. Tis but a flesh wound. |
Yep, when I did the servicing course at the Piste Office Jon's guidance was unless they are really deep you can more or less ignore lengthwise scratches and it's more the cross ski ones, especially those near the edges that you really need to worry about.
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The tired look before I wax is all the little scratches and the fact I once could only get transparent rather than black ptex. I think the small amount of metal left comes from the machine grinds, in terms of depth. Reduction from the side would be partly me, but I only sharpen every 2 weeks or so, and I think my file is very blunt since it is hard to get them even approximately sharp now. They haven't been in a shop the last couple of seasons so I think I'll get an edge done professionally.
Yes, @Mjit, I came to the conclusion if there is a bit that might hide rocks it is better to take it straight if you can and slow later, rather than get a transverse gouge.
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| snowball wrote: |
| The tired look before I wax is all the little scratches and the fact I once could only get transparent rather than black ptex. |
Well, of course they look tired before the service - I look tired before a shave and a shower 
| snowball wrote: |
| I think the small amount of metal left comes from the machine grinds, in terms of depth. Reduction from the side would be partly me, but I only sharpen every 2 weeks or so, and I think my file is very blunt since it is hard to get them even approximately sharp now. They haven't been in a shop the last couple of seasons so I think I'll get an edge done professionally. |
After the grinds did they reset the base edge?
What side edge angle do you set?
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| snowball wrote: |
| Yes, @Mjit, I came to the conclusion if there is a bit that might hide rocks it is better to take it straight if you can and slow later, rather than get a transverse gouge. |
It's the ones hear but never see that catch you out.
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@Mjit, Well yes, but if people you are skiing with are finding rocks on a bit of slope, you know there may be others. Mind you, I once took out an edge Heli-skiing and found that - once the piece was snipped out by the guide - it made no difference in powder. (I took just the bindings home).
@Layne, I looked and it is currently set on 89º, so I tried re-setting at 87º. I just cleaned out the file grooves again which were clogged with plastic from just above the metal, so perhaps the file couldn't even engage with the metal bit.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@snowball, 87 will make a difference for sure. If grooves are clogged with plastic you need a sidewall remover.
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Yep, time for a sidewall plane. Basically you've serviced the side edges enough that when set at the designed angle the file's not just running against the edge but also the top sheet sidewall - which also probably means the file's actually running at a steeper angle than the guide/you think it is, so your 89º may have actually ended up at 89.somethingº. The sidewall plane's designed to cut away the edge of the top sheet so the edge once more sits 'proud' of the sidewall and your file's just running against the edge again.
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You know it makes sense.
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| if there is a bit that might hide rocks it is better to take it straight if you can and slow later, rather than get a transverse gouge. |
it's also that if you are carved over, you dig much deeper. So don't ever turn on the roll over unless you're sure it's not windy scalped.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Yes @phil_w. And the sixth person down a narrow bit of slope is more likely to hit something than the first (the guide).
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Wed 11-09-24 12:41; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Mjit, yes, that fits. So if I take it to a shop for edging, I just point that out?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@snowball, if you take it to a decent shop they won't need telling.
The point being made is that if you are DIYing you need to buy a sidewall remover (not all that expensive) and learn how to use it (not all that difficult).
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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OK, thanks: I just ordered one from Ski Bartlett. Just bought a cheap one, £39.90
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@radar, thanks.
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