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What's a Fair Price For A Ski Holiday In 2024 and Beyond?

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@phil_w, surfing in Costa Rica sounds wonderful. Not that I'd want to surf, but some body boarding or dinghy sailing would be good. But a quick google suggests VERY expensive to go from here, with the big travel firms. I spent 3 years living and working in the Pacific and we did beach holidays in Fiji, in simple local places which cost hugely less than the big resorts and to me were vastly preferable. I don't need luxury and an en-shite bathroom. Are there similar local places in Costa Rica?
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It can be done for £1000 per adult for a week I reckon, but only by travelling low season (Jan) and booking hire in advance & taking advantage of any life pass sales and ALWAYS calling to haggle the package cost. I reckon I must saved over £2k over the years just by asking or saying im a repeat customer.

I once paid £300 for last minute catered chalet in La Rosiere with Inghams in about 2016, this Jan I paid £880 per adult which included flights, transfers & hotel half board. The total holiday spend was £1250ish per adult, we managed to grab to 40% off passes that Les Arcs ran and booked hire in advance and ate out less on the mountain and used bakeries for lunch stops. Ive also haggled my holiday price lower every time without fail by usually booking with IgluSki who can somehow get prices lower than the operators offer, and in some cases Ive managed to get the operater and the travel agent competing for the business and their commission by under cutting each other, and then just calling the other back and say "Iglu is now £20 less PP" for example.
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I think I need to allow £1500pp once I work it all out (and plausibly aren't allowing a big enough beer fund);

Though that does include (good) guides/instructors.


Cheapest UCPA trip is now ~£650 + travel... So allowing for 2 couples in a car, 2 rooms in travel lodge each way to split drive you could do it for what, £700/week. I can't see it getting much cheaper (short of accom requiring driving 1-2hrs/day to get up to the lowest lift)
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ratkinsonuk wrote:
ciderinsport wrote:
Will it ever be too expensive? Only if I can't find a way to fund at least one trip a year! I love skiing more than saving


Eloquently put! Not that I disbelieve you, I'm struggling to work out the £650. £210 for lift passes, £100 flight, £70 ski hire - leaves you £260 for everything else? That doesn't even cover my apres ski !!


Breakdown:
4 of us went, me, mate and his 2 kids. He insisted it was all slpit 25% per head if I did all the booking / sorting / driving - so that saved me a bit!

Accommadation - 40e pp/pn inc dinner and breakfast staying with a mate at mates rates (ie a contribution towards food!) for 5 nights - £180
Flights - £280 inc 2 hold bags - £70 pp (very cheap midweek Easyjet LGW - GVA)
Car hire - £162 - £40pp
Ski Hire - £50pp (another mates rate deal!)
Lift pass - £120 pp (family group)
Parking £15 pp
Fuel £20 pp
Lunch 20e per day x 6 - £105
Weatherspoons breakfast £15
Shopping for some beers / wine / soft drinks / snacks on route £35pp

There was no going out in the evenings as that involved me driving!

Yes I got a deal on the deals and saved by doing all the work! But... It is possible Very Happy
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£1k per head. Family of 4 (2 teenagers):

Val Thorens - Easter (top floor appt, top of resort, ski in/out with unobstructed views)
3 valleys lift passes x 4
All diesel/tolls
Tunnel (but supplemented by Clubcard vouchers)
4 x hotels travelling there and back (relaxing)
Supermarket shops for food/drink
Equipment rental x 3
Meal out on last night and while travelling
Activity or two
Snacks on piste during day eg hot choc
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ratkinsonuk wrote:
ciderinsport wrote:
Will it ever be too expensive? Only if I can't find a way to fund at least one trip a year! I love skiing more than saving


Eloquently put! Not that I disbelieve you, I'm struggling to work out the £650. £210 for lift passes, £100 flight, £70 ski hire - leaves you £260 for everything else? That doesn't even cover my apres ski !!



Especially not if you and your mates wanted a few bottles of the 2010 Chateau Latour while you listen to some cheesy europop in the Mooserwirt. At Euro 3500/bottle, the people drinking that stuff are unlikely to have the same concerns as people on this forum about ski holiday costs. I guess that just shows there will always be people who can afford to ski, whatever the price.

Enjoy the wine list :
https://menu.mooserwirt.at/en/bordeaux/
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JohnS4 wrote:
ratkinsonuk wrote:
ciderinsport wrote:
Will it ever be too expensive? Only if I can't find a way to fund at least one trip a year! I love skiing more than saving


Eloquently put! Not that I disbelieve you, I'm struggling to work out the £650. £210 for lift passes, £100 flight, £70 ski hire - leaves you £260 for everything else? That doesn't even cover my apres ski !!



Especially not if you and your mates wanted a few bottles of the 2010 Chateau Latour while you listen to some cheesy europop in the Mooserwirt. At Euro 3500/bottle, the people drinking that stuff are unlikely to have the same concerns as people on this forum about ski holiday costs. I guess that just shows there will always be people who can afford to ski, whatever the price.

Enjoy the wine list :
https://menu.mooserwirt.at/en/bordeaux/

Personally I'd share the love a bit with a Salmanasar of Veuve Cliquot and it's cheaper.
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Especially not if you and your mates wanted a few bottles of the 2010 Chateau Latour while you listen to some cheesy europop in the Mooserwirt. At Euro 3500/bottle,

Yes the wine list looks extensive. I hope they stock a few bottles of this stuff

Romanèe Conti Monopole Romanèe Conti, Burgund, Frankreich 0,75 l
2017 €9.899,00
2019 €10.101,00
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johnE wrote:
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Especially not if you and your mates wanted a few bottles of the 2010 Chateau Latour while you listen to some cheesy europop in the Mooserwirt. At Euro 3500/bottle,

Yes the wine list looks extensive. I hope they stock a few bottles of this stuff

Romanèe Conti Monopole Romanèe Conti, Burgund, Frankreich 0,75 l
2017 €9.899,00
2019 €10.101,00


But the 2017 wasn't a great year for that wine - people wouldn't be seen dead drinking that muck wink The 2019 is ok but the 2010 is so much better but sadly not on the menu here. You could always order a couple online beforehand and casually get them out of your ski rucksack when you hit the bar with your mates and ask the bar staff if they wouldn't mind opening it for you if you shared it with them, it's available here for a mere £30k.

https://hedonism.co.uk/product/romanee-conti-drc-2010
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Skiing costs have definitely gone up. (We normally use Crystal now, but that's not likely for much longer due to them stopping splitting the package across airports, but that's a whole new thread.).Came back from Serre Che a couple of weeks ago and that was 3 of us in a 6 berth shoebox for just about a grand exc food and drink which we thought was pretty good compared to Espace Killy or 3V now which I think works out at about £1400 for the same. Up until Lockdown I used to reckon on about a grand all in per person for EK or 3V. It's way more than that now once you factor in nice bottles of scotch and gin as well as food. (Self catered)

It's not worth going to North America for under 2 weeks, but we've been 3 times before lockdown and it worked out about twice the cost of a week in Ek or 3V which we thought a bargain considering we had a big 4WD as well.

How much is too much? Mrs G keeps asking me that question every year as she doesn't ski!

I think the real question is can you justify paying more and more for the higher resorts when they are getting busier every year due to increased numbers of accommodation? And extrapolating from that, will skiing become the sport of the rich again?

There are ways of going skiing for less money which I am trying really hard to convince my buddies that they want to go down that route!
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Looking at winter 25 we have booked one already via TO as it came out very slightly cheaper than this winter due to offers.
The other trip we are on this year I priced and it is up a fair chunk.
Is the price fair first one yes not sure I will go the same for the second? I am not keen booking things a year in advance.
Im likely to go somewhere though. I think my knees have a finite capacity for skiing and I don't want to waste it.
I have always had an inkling to ski USA and Canada but I can't justify the cost now. (I'm not keen on long haul flights anyway)
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6 to an apartment

Sunweb

Off-peak week (Jan)

Book flights early. Or drive if there are 4 of you, drive

Self-cater

Those are all the ingredients required for a cheap ski holiday.
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Book holiday time off in advance

Wait until 2-6 days out before deciding on a destination based on current snow conditions and the conditions likely during your stay

Be open to visiting areas you ordinarily wouldn't visit if it means the snow experience will be better

Go with tour operator if price and destination (snow quality) marry, or go independent

Done this for the best part of the last decade and always come in at under 1k for 7-day trip (6 days skiing) all in
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marrying certainly makes it cheaper. Single supplements are ruinous.
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marrying certainly makes it cheaper. Single supplements are ruinous.


Laughing Laughing Laughing
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@ciderinsport, your trip for £650, this is of great interest for me and my friends, please could you help us with a breakdown of costs and dates /timings

Cheers
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ratkinsonuk wrote:
Avoiding the debate of self-drive/self-catering vs package to keep the costs down, I wonder what people consider to be a fair price for a weeks skiing?

You can't really have a debate on that basis. Too many variances on how people do trips.

ratkinsonuk wrote:
At what point will you say enough is enough?

Nobody is going to really know that until it happens. And it's not going to help anyway. Too many variables involved.

Seems to me to be a pointless thread. Not that that as ever stopped us Laughing Laughing
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gixxerniknik wrote:
Came back from Serre Che a couple of weeks ago and that was 3 of us in a 6 berth shoebox for just about a grand exc food and drink which we thought was pretty good compared to Espace Killy or 3V now which I think works out at about £1400 for the same. Up until Lockdown I used to reckon on about a grand all in per person for EK or 3V. It's way more than that now once you factor in nice bottles of scotch and gin as well as food. (Self catered)


Last year we managed 6 people in half decent SC accomodation in Tignes for about £970 each incl. flights, luggage & ski carriage, transfers, lift pass. It took a fair amount of digging round to get to that price though!
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Quite a lot of holidays on Inghams - called last minute deals but some are mid March …

£399 in Kitzbuhel 16/03 … a discount of £410 pp. https://www.inghams.co.uk/ski-holidays/deals/late-deals

Or sunweb has some ridiculously cheap offers (to some slightly obscure places).
Risoul on 23/03 for £168 pp including lift pass !!

I think Mike pow had it right … book the time , wait until the last minute (obviously no good for anyone with kids).
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Just did a week in Chamonix for under £1500 all in (5 sharing an 8 man apartment), thats flying to geneva, taking or own boards and eating out every lunch/evening, booked via Heidi.com
Holiday £457
Luggage £57
Board bag £74
Cab to/from luton £40
Money spent in resort and airports £490
total £1461

Love to see people working out how to do it cheaper, hats off if you can.

In the 90's we went to Banf/Whistler every year, ate like kings and the cost was similar to what we are paying now, but those days are long gone, think a 2 week pass in whistler is £1500 these day Laughing
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@dh900, what's your approach to haggling please?
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Layne wrote:
ratkinsonuk wrote:
Avoiding the debate of self-drive/self-catering vs package to keep the costs down, I wonder what people consider to be a fair price for a weeks skiing?

You can't really have a debate on that basis. Too many variances on how people do trips.


To be honest, the thread should really have been named something like 'Is skiing getting too expensive for you yet?'. The debate isn't necessarily about how to get there cheaper, although I'm really enjoying that side of it, but at what point people feel it's no longer good value for money.

From what I've seen so far, most people are still happy to continue paying for the standards they currently enjoy, whether that's a cheaper fill a chalet with mates and make do or more expensive catered options.

For what it's worth, I'd much rather drive down and make my own entertainment with a decent chalet and good friends, but very few of my mates ski. They're much more into summer options. Having said that, I've been in conversation with a few SH's about a cheap lads trip next year, just in case the Mrs decides to hang up her boots Very Happy
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I haven't read the whole thread, and maybe this has already been said, but it would be difficult to overstress what good value the snowHead Bashes are. So far I have rarely broken the £1,500 all-in threshold and that includes a single room (always) decent half-board food (usually) and even a bit of top- class tuition (sometimes).
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Indeed Hurtle. I thought @Admin might have popped up somewhere Smile

It's funny. As I read the various comments saying 'I can get it at this price or that price but it takes a lot of hard work' it did cross my mind that we all need someone like that, and then the realisation that it's what Admin does several times every year. Hat's off!
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@ratkinsonuk, maybe - I'm not actually sure - emboldening admin's name will alert him to visiting the thread for a rosy glow.
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I just had random call from OFWAT survey about customer satisfaction. Daft survey (why don't they pilot questionnaires properly??). One question asked about the "affordability" of my water supply on scale of 1 - 10. WTF does that mean? Reminded me of this thread.
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Perhaps a new thread's required - 'Has water become too pricey and is it time to seek an alternative?' NehNeh
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For next year I'll be looking at three limits depending on what the group fancies it can afford:
- sub £1000pp = self catering/self drive
- sub £1400pp = half board hotel/flying
- sub £1700pp = entire catered chalet/flying
These are all-in prices without personal spending in resort. I think these are fair prices.

I'm really hoping the group saves their pennies this year!
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@ratkinsonuk, yes, exactly. Asking that question underlines how daft the word "affordability" is about an essential over which you have absolutely no choice!!
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ukoldschool wrote:
Just did a week in Chamonix for under £1500 all in (5 sharing an 8 man apartment), thats flying to geneva, taking or own boards and eating out every lunch/evening, booked via Heidi.com
Holiday £457
Luggage £57
Board bag £74
Cab to/from luton £40
Money spent in resort and airports £490
total £1461

Love to see people working out how to do it cheaper, hats off if you can.


Just done a week in Oz (AdH), 4 sharing an 8 person apartment at mate's rates, Eurostar from London to Grenoble. 3 nights out, 4 in, restaurant lunches & a coffee each day. Ski hire because it was less hassle/cheaper that way.

Train £228
Taxis £79
Apartment £375
Ski Hire & Lift Pass £299
Lunch and Dinner out £245
Coffee & Après ski beer £116
Groceries £79
Total £1417 plus sandwiches travelling plus insurance

Save £80 by not eating out in the evening at all and probably £50 more at the cost of hassle with more public transport and less taxi use. A bit more could be saved by booking London-Paris and Paris-Grenoble independently and changing but it adds further hassle and risk.
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marrying certainly makes it cheaper. Single supplements are ruinous.

I have a confession to make the frist few times I went with Mrs T Bar I was unmarried. Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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ukoldschool wrote:
Just did a week in Chamonix for under £1500 all in...flying to geneva, taking or own boards and eating out every lunch/evening, booked via Heidi.com .. Love to see people working out how to do it cheaper, hats off if you can.
Well we crashed on my mate's sofa, so yeah, but not really fair wink

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a 2 week pass in whistler is £1500 these day Laughing
but it gets you rather more that that if you do it right, and Whistler wasn't what it now is. But a big fashionable resort half way around the world would not be my choice if I was being cheap.
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Our week in Flachau end of January was below 1250 for everything half board in a nice hotel and for me that would be about par. Usually trying to book it for a smallish group (11 this year) and I think this pushes the price up somewhat. Travelling with maybe 1 other I would hope to reduce it a bit. Hoping to do Arabba next January for 1150 all in and binned off Saalbach when it was creeping north of 1400 for the same or less. But accepting that Arabba is a touch quieter than Saalbach......
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I think if you can waiting til as close to the time you want to go is best in the catered chalet world. Le Ski currently have a week in Val D going this Sunday reduced from £1499 to £799, flights , transfer & food & unlimited wine so that to me is a bargain especially as we've stayed with them before & their hosts & food has always been good.
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@Kramer, on the haggle question, just being straight out honest and asking for discount: whats the best you can do for me? Can you ask your manager for any more off? Ask to remove admin fees, ask for repeat customer discount (this worked for skibeat on my 1st ever trip with them!). I always just ring up and never pay the price online, speak to a sales agent who is working for commission, they will be able to discount to make a sale.

On the trip this year I managed i got an extra £202 off PP in addition to a current offer, and they waived the £50 infant fee for our daughter.
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I used to manage under £600 for 4 or so days when going with mates (around 2012 prices) but since going with school aged family all the usual tricks to keep prices down don't really work. Have to go school hols, ages and different ski patterns mean being by the slopes is a massive advantage, need to rent and get lessons. Then make it more difficult for ourselves by trying to go overland. Just back from a week in Feb half-term to Via Lattea and for family of 5 (3 young kids all skiing) came to:

- £400 return for Eurostar
- £900 return for sleeper to Briancon (another year this would have been £400 but clashed with Paris half term and prices adjust airline style)
- £150 private transfer (this was a pain - a public bus went to Montgenevre on French side and could have cut that by 2/3rds but there's nothing across the border)
- £1,150 for an apartment with ski-in ski-out access in Claviere which was an absolute gem
- £560 for ski lessons for week for 3
- £700 for passes for 5 at different grades
- £400 for equipment hire for 4 (felt steep - kids stuff much cheaper in Sweden surprisingly)
- About £500 on food for week which included 3 meals out in evening and 3 lunches on mountain - all good value.

So not much change from £5k. It was bloody wonderful though.
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My knees wont take a week anymore. So it will be a 3 or 4 day ski trip. Certainly a good way to save some money (& my knees!)

Started in the 90s taking the ski bus trips. £99 with mystery resort & accommodation for a week. Usually ended up in a nice quiet austrian pension.
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ratkinsonuk wrote:
Thanks for your interesting responses. The question wasn't so much about inflation and the 'real' cost of a ski holiday, but more around at what point does it simply get too expensive.

For the same price as skiing with my OH last year I went to Thailand for 11 days, paid for my my mate and his Mrs to come, paid for 6 hotel rooms (lay-overs in Madrid and Dubai), hired a private luxury villa (which included staff and a chef), and hired a car for the duration. All that came to not much more than a decent ski holiday.

My point being, I felt that my hard-earned had been better spent than getting ripped off in some truck-stop French restaurant halfway up a mountain whilst the staff look down their nose at me. At some point, the scales tip. I'm almost at the point where I'd rather pay for a nice 2-week winter cruise to somewhere warm than doing the thing I absolutely love.

If skiing is the “thing you absolutely love”, no amount of price will be “too expensive”! You would simply give up other things in order to afford it.

What’s the point of “2-week winter cruise to somewhere warm” if it isn’t what “you absolutely love”? OK, you “like” it to some degree. But if you LOVE something else, you would have gladly save that 2-week cruise to spend on doing “what you absolutely love”. You wouldn’t have asked the question.

So in order to answer the question of “how much is too much”, you must give up on the notion of “absolutely love” part. Let’s just rephrase by saying you like it a lot, probably a bit more than winter cruise to somewhere warm. But not quite so much that you can’t contemplate giving up the former to do the latter instead. And, if you “love” luxury hotels & villa with staff and chef a lot more than skiing, you should just do more of the former. But obviously, you still like skiing sufficiently enough you’re planning on skiing instead of another stay at a villa in Thailand, at whatever price you can find!

In other words, it isn’t “too expensive” after all, not even for you. You “love” skiing enough to pay that price. So would everyone else! Perhaps one day, your “love” for skiing isn’t nearly as much as a stay in a villa in Thailand any more, it’ll then be time to go to Thailand instead. And if that day is next year, so be it. In the mean time, it’s not at all “too expensive” for your love of skiing. As such, the price is as “fair” as ever!
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Flowing into your house pipes, or lying crystallised on a mountainside?
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