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| ski wrote: |
If we are going to whinge...
People who wait for their freinds/family in the middle of the lift queue. |
Absolutely, that is one I'll whinge about. The groups who are so insistent on sitting together every lift that they'll let two chairs go up with one or two people on them, meanwhile everyone behind is waiting that bit longer.
I was on a group trip in January with a couple who did not get onto a single lift apart from one another all week, and insisted on sitting next to each other at every meal. And were always in positions 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 behind the guide. It did make me wonder why they didn't just go away on their own.
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| ski wrote: |
| .....Smoking weed in the gondola. In La Grave...... |
Sorry but that's been going on since I was first there way back in 97, it's part of LG culture!
And it's almost done deliberately by some locals to exact a response from what they perceive as day tourists on their hill, (all very tribal I know) for if you were to criticise, you'd be told where to go in none too favourable terms 
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Things I don't get:
Getting up super early to "enjoy" having first dibs on the ice-duroy. ( I kind of get this when its got a bit of give, but often, early doors it's rock hard).
Stopping at 1PM because the snow is "bad". Why not book lessons in the afternoon ?
Not using poles.
Using BS terms like "hard shell, mid-layer, base layer": Its a coat, a jumper/hoodie/fleece and a t-shirt FFS.
Having avy shovel and backpack when lapping Prolays.
Incurable separation anxiety that means you can't possibly be on a different chair from anyone else in your group, even if this means a whole bunch o chairs go up half empty while you get into you line.
Taking kids in the snow park when they can barely snowplough.
Go-Pros (Really. No-one cares).
Taking out your SaloTomIngnol Powder-Hound 3000s 118mm BigBoy skis, when its not snowed for 5 weeks.
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Other than dangerous skiing/boarding I say each to their own. One particular dislike is people who stop to wait for companions/stop to faff.stop for no discernible reason at the exits of chairlifts. Equally irritating at the exit from a gondola but not as dangerous. Otherwise I think the vast majority are out for a good time and happy for them to do so in any way that gives them pleasure.
Quite a few people have expressed some irritation at the idea of a proper restaurant lunch, which is a bit odd in my view. That is a big part of my ski holiday. We normally have a quick drinks break in the morning and a relatively late proper lunch. When we have skied with others who claim lunch is a waste of time, we have become frustrated at the amount of time they spent stopping on runs and with general faffing. And they have mostly been completely exhausted by the time we stop for lunch. With an early start, hard skiing and a proper lunch we seem to cover more vertical metres than most. We were told that it is a long day to get to Alagna and back from Champoluc for example, so were a bit surprised to find ourselves skiing back from Alagna to Gressoney in time for the drinks break. And in spring it is the whole joy for me, enjoying the firm conditions that gradually soften in the morning and then a nice long mountain lunch is my idea of heaven. As I said each to their own, I completely get why taking it easy can also be enjoyable, stopping to take in the atmosphere, and most people like to (or need to) stop once or twice on a run. And many who love their skiing are on a budget so prioritise spending accordingly. But don't judge the lunchers!
One thing that I do intensely dislike is the rudeness towards staff, particularly in restaurants, that a certain type of group from my own country seem to think is acceptable. Loud, abrasive, demanding, and often over-explaining (in English) what they want with the assumption that the waiting staff are complete idiots. No attempt to us the local lingo and a complete lack of please and thank you. Or the fact that the rest of the restaurant don't want to listen to them shouting to each other the most inane nonsense throughout the meal. I spend more time than I would like apologising for that type of behaviour. Most often seen in half-term week.
I do have an irrational dislike of the expression "I can get down blacks". It does not mean anything really. And instantly makes me think "over-estimates ability". Which is often, but not always, true. Hence why it is an irrational thing on my part, and I'm trying hard to overcome it!
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This is very much over the top but, as skiers there are a number of valid reasons to stop people skiing and we should think twice before whingeing about the irritating but relatively harmless actions of others.
I'm as guilty as anyone for letting the actions of others irritate me and frequently need to make a conscious effort to be more tolerant.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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Surely stuff "you don't get" isn't the same as what "winds you up" (which seem to be what most people are referencing here).
I don't get...
An obsession with first lifts.
An obsession with last lifts.
Sitting outside for coffee/lunch/beer when it's so cold you have to add layers and your goulash is cold by the third spoonful.
Wanting to know how fast you went today.
How some people make it look so easy.
All of which are no skin off my nose but I don't get it.
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I love the peace & tranquility of the mountains. If someone else wants to listen to music, no problem as long as they use headphones. Why does anyone feel it’s their right to impose their musical (lack of) taste on others? It’s the same in the car, the park…
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| Layne wrote: |
A restaurant lunch I do not get. For several reasons. 1) the time it takes 2) the faff (undressing/dressing) 3) worrying about my skis getting nicked 4) going out skiing after a big meal. I was once with an off piste group and it was a bit whiteoutish. So the guide suggested we have a proper lunch. It was nice and all but even then the 4 issues above all came into play.
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Exactly this. For those insisting food is an important aspect of their trip a nice relaxed dinner after getting out ski clothes and showered seems preferable. You still get the same food, yet eliminate all the issues with lunch.
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
| Layne wrote: |
A restaurant lunch I do not get. For several reasons. 1) the time it takes 2) the faff (undressing/dressing) 3) worrying about my skis getting nicked 4) going out skiing after a big meal. I was once with an off piste group and it was a bit whiteoutish. So the guide suggested we have a proper lunch. It was nice and all but even then the 4 issues above all came into play.
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Exactly this. For those insisting food is an important aspect of their trip a nice relaxed dinner after getting out ski clothes and showered seems preferable. You still get the same food, yet eliminate all the issues with lunch. |
It seems a bit judgemental using the word "insisting", as if it is the most ridiculous thing in the world that food might be an important part of the trip for some. If it is not for you, then fair enough, each to their own. It is to me, and I would have thought that would be fair enough too.
I can see why you might prefer an evening meal, after showering and changing. I happen to really enjoy a fine lunch on the mountain, and have no problem eating it in my ski clothes. As do my family. And I certainly do not find it a faff to take my helmet and jacket off to do so. Why pass judgement on this? If you prefer a relaxed meal in the evening and I prefer a relaxed meal at lunch so what? It does not mean that one or the other is "preferable"!
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You know it makes sense.
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| jmr59 wrote: |
| ski wrote: |
If we are going to whinge...
People who wait for their freinds/family in the middle of the lift queue. |
Absolutely, that is one I'll whinge about. The groups who are so insistent on sitting together every lift that they'll let two chairs go up with one or two people on them, meanwhile everyone behind is waiting that bit longer.
I was on a group trip in January with a couple who did not get onto a single lift apart from one another all week, and insisted on sitting next to each other at every meal. And were always in positions 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 behind the guide. It did make me wonder why they didn't just go away on their own. |
And yet, it does means that the singles queue is non existent and if you're not bothered who you sit next to it's super quick! 
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Poster: A snowHead
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First lifts IMV are fine if you're ready anyway and conditions are in some way good. Powder day frenzy is of course a thing and as I tend to ski crap anyway on first run on a deep powder day I'm increasingly less inclined to bust a gut for it. First lifts to ski refrozen deathpack is insane.
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| Dave of the Marmottes wrote: |
| First lifts IMV are fine if you're ready anyway and conditions are in some way good. Powder day frenzy is of course a thing and as I tend to ski crap anyway on first run on a deep powder day I'm increasingly less inclined to bust a gut for it. First lifts to ski refrozen deathpack is insane. |
It's another each to their own question. Quite like the hard conditions early morning as can have a blast with my daughter on race skis before the rest join us. Only annoying thing is when they are death cookies around which sort of defeat the exercise! That said most days the rest ion the family will be on mountain 9.30is anyway
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The 2000s do turn faster edge to edge though, being skinnier and all that 
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@zikomo, You identify the only scenario where I'd consider it. Certainly it can be the only time really to run FIS GS skis to their potential (which are an utter pig when the surface goes fully spring mush).
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Answer to question: whingey threads like this. |
This. A proliferation of them at the moment, it seems.
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I like resorts with variety, and well piste length is a factor, I hate short pistes where your back on the chair after a short run. I like a bit of atmosphere but not the big party crowds, so a bar at the end of a long fast run with a bit of music and atmosphere suites me fine. I do like a good lift system, four man chair lifts with a cover are a real bonus, so a modern lift system gets people up the mountain fairly fast so less ques. I'm with @ski, on people waiting for their friends, if you must wait, move to the side , don't blooming stand in the middle waiting for them to catch up.
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| Layne wrote: |
| 4) going out skiing after a big meal. |
Now this downside I understand: perhaps once or twice a year i get hit after lunch by a wave of fatigue and cold, & just don't want to be out on the slopes any more. I don't know what exactly causes it: I think it's some combination of some or all of timing, hydration, tiredness, blood sugar when stopping, duration of break, difference between outside and inside temperature, and possibly certain foodstuffs.
The one redeeming feature is that it tends to happen to me when conditions aren't at their best (particularly in low vis), so missing out on a couple of hours' skiing at that time isn't a huge sacrifice. But I can certainly see how others who feel that way after a meal more frequently would prefer to avoided a big meal.
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I suspect this might not be a popular view on here but I don't get why people go on holiday then cook dinner for themselves in self-catering apartments.
For me a big part of a holiday is not having to do the things you have to do at home. I'd much rather go out and eat somewhere where I can just sit down with a drink and let someone else have all the hassle of cooking.
I get the attraction of an apartment so you have your own place (we stayed in a nice one this year), and even making a bit of breakfast, but there's no way I'd go on a skiing holiday and be cooking food every evening when I could be out enjoying the local restaurants while someone else does that for me. Even more strange is the people who bring their own food all the way from the UK when there are local shops where they can buy everything anyway.
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@zikomo, exactly so, and March/April is the time to do it. After few hours skiing, preferably off-piste in the spring snow, there are few things in life as enjoyable as a long lunch with friends on a sunny terrace overlooking the Alps. If someone can't see the merit in that then it's very much to their detriment, imho.
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| JohnS4 wrote: |
I suspect this might not be a popular view on here but I don't get why people go on holiday then cook dinner for themselves in self-catering apartments.
For me a big part of a holiday is not having to do the things you have to do at home. I'd much rather go out and eat somewhere where I can just sit down with a drink and let someone else have all the hassle of cooking.
I get the attraction of an apartment so you have your own place (we stayed in a nice one this year), and even making a bit of breakfast, but there's no way I'd go on a skiing holiday and be cooking food every evening when I could be out enjoying the local restaurants while someone else does that for me. Even more strange is the people who bring their own food all the way from the UK when there are local shops where they can buy everything anyway. |
Surely the single answer to this is cost, isn't it?
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| JohnS4 wrote: |
I suspect this might not be a popular view on here but I don't get why people go on holiday then cook dinner for themselves in self-catering apartments.
For me a big part of a holiday is not having to do the things you have to do at home. I'd much rather go out and eat somewhere where I can just sit down with a drink and let someone else have all the hassle of cooking.
I get the attraction of an apartment so you have your own place (we stayed in a nice one this year), and even making a bit of breakfast, but there's no way I'd go on a skiing holiday and be cooking food every evening when I could be out enjoying the local restaurants while someone else does that for me. Even more strange is the people who bring their own food all the way from the UK when there are local shops where they can buy everything anyway. |
As a family there are pretty good financial reasons to self cater, we virtually always have as a family.. Also quite like chilling and chatting sometimes whilst prepping a bit of food. Usually cook simply on ski holidays, for me I enjoy eating out but doing it every night of a holiday would be more of a chore than a pleasure.
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You know it makes sense.
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I find the portion sizes are bigger sc'ing... and the staff and clientele less 'judgy"
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It's why Pierrade is the perfect meal for a restaurant.
You pay handsomely to enjoy the benefits of eating out but end up cooking it yourself.
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| JohnS4 wrote: |
| I suspect this might not be a popular view on here but I don't get why people go on holiday then cook dinner for themselves in self-catering apartments. |
I think this partly comes down to the crux of what a holiday is.
When the kids were young we used to go camping for two weeks. So sleeping on airbeds, cooking on a two ring gas camping stove, shared toilet/shower cubicles. And yet, strangely all very enjoyable.
That said... my wife doesn't like eating out. I do get why to some degree, I'm sure everyone can think of the upsides and downsides. If it was up to me I'd probably do it a couple of times in the week.
For me a skiing holiday is about the skiing. Everything else is secondary - I don't need pampering. But I get for some it's almost the other way around. The shared experience is probably the love of the mountain environment.
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JohnS4 wrote:
I suspect this might not be a popular view on here but I don't get why people go on holiday then cook dinner for themselves in self-catering apartments.
For me a big part of a holiday is not having to do the things you have to do at home. I'd much rather go out and eat somewhere where I can just sit down with a drink and let someone else have all the hassle of cooking.
I get the attraction of an apartment so you have your own place (we stayed in a nice one this year), and even making a bit of breakfast, but there's no way I'd go on a skiing holiday and be cooking food every evening when I could be out enjoying the local restaurants while someone else does that for me. Even more strange is the people who bring their own food all the way from the UK when there are local shops where they can buy everything anyway. |
We always used to go in a Hotel, but for the last 7 or so years we have gone in a apparent, Much better IMHO. We can get up and eat breakfast at anytime we want, we eat out most evenings but we also stay in the odd night and make our own food and chill watching netflix on TV.
Some nights you just cant be bothered going out, and having a meal in and a few beers whilst watching a film are often the best nights of the holiday for us (married mid 40's yr olds, a younger 20 something me would have seen things differently back then, but not now
Also we dont do packages anymore with tour operators, we DIY it and doing this also plays dividends when poor snow hits (like our 2 trips this year we changed resorts) As we can cancel and move our destination resort as and when needs must.
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| JohnS4 wrote: |
I suspect this might not be a popular view on here but I don't get why people go on holiday then cook dinner for themselves in self-catering apartments.
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Because it can be a part of the social experience. Your own music, your own vibe, your own fussinesses accomodated. Your own booze so significant savings possible Not needing to traipse uphill or around various locations to get a table on a busy night. I wouldn't want to do it with say my family every night but in a social setting like the EOSB it works (although that's conditional on appartment mates mucking in in various ways).
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I think that on the SC front (and some other SH issues) there are people on SHs that go on ski holidays and some that just go skiing and all points in between. I usually just go skiing, sometimes I go on a skiing holiday and sometimes the skiing turns into a holiday. If you are lucky enough to go for a few weeks at a time (or perhaps the whole season), then eating out a lot becomes very expensive and very fattening.
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First lifts is really important to me, because it means peace and quiet, empty pistes and just the mountains and me and the light before everyone else turns up
(Last lifts is also really important to me . One tends to still have a few people trying to get as high as possible and then bomb down or getting pissed somewhere up the mountain, but there is just something wonderful in the mountains skiing slowly, stopping and smelling the air, listening to the birds, watching the sky change colour)
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People who wait for their freinds/family in the middle of the lift queue.
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and who can't go up chairlift without their very dear ones next to them so think they have a right to make others wait while they faff around.
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@sev112, agreed on both counts although because of my other family members I tend to miss first.
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I love boarding late in the day, the sun setting behind me and seeing the long shadows downhill. Magical experience.
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What I don't get?
Enough time off work to go skiing.
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