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How to find out detail about emergency evacuation France
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Hurtle wrote:
Was she from the UK and do you happen to know if she was insured for such a situation and the consequent costs?[/quote]
She was from Tunisia, part of uk based corprate group all of whom were multi million/billonaires, There was a 3 vehicle team of orgonisers/private medical etc following the trek, I don't think insurance cost would have crossed anyones minds.
But in this case as it was my call and we were in France, The french state covered everything. The only details they realy wanted on the spot were mine as a mountain profesional, anything else would be delt with later and as she walked ff the hill this wasn't necessary.
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Hi All. This is a brilliant response and thank you everyone for taking the time to do so. There is a lot to work through here.
I agree that a valley town with a proper emergency room - resuscitation and critical care - is likely our best option. It doesn’t specifically have to be France - just thinking about driving rather than flying - so I will check out all the towns mentioned.
I agree that the helicopter is not necessary the fix here. Perhaps my thinking was tainted by how long it took us to get to hospital by road in Italy. Resorts with quick road access or with hospitals in the town are likely best.
We always have epi-pens with him and we know how and when to use them. We used one at the time and it likely saved his life.
The big issues (aside from him being fed something I had not approved) were the time to get off the mountain, access to further adrenaline ( not sure they had it on the first (of 3) ambulance, and being brought to a hospital with no critical care capability where he had a secondary reaction - also life threatening.
I am will work my way properly through your responses. Thank you again and for your support.
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@TravelHappy78
, A piste patroller or the local medical centre may have extra adrenaline, they will only work during the day though. The first aid courses done by every instructor should cover use of it too but they won't have an epipen.
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And just a quick follow up on the questions about anaphylaxis - not a medic, just a mother!
The medication that is used to stabilise does not always work completely or have a lasting effect. NHS gives us auto-injectors and antihistamine (the latter is not so useful in an emergency). Other health services give steroids too. Adrenaline and steroids can save a life by suppressing the reaction - but the underlying reaction can continue. This is one reason you are issued with two injectors now. We are taught to think of the injectors as something that gives us time - not something that cures the patient.
UK ambulances have large amounts of adrenaline onboard and a patient can be given more once the ambulance arrives and steroids as well. This did not seem to be the case with the first ambulance in Italy so he would not have been able to be stabilised had the reaction continued. The second ambulance had steroids - or rather a nurse joined the ambulance half way down the mountain with a medical kit.
Even if the reaction is fully controlled and the patient seems stable after a period of time (even 12 hours+) - there is a chance of a secondary reaction. This is what my son experienced in the hospital and they were shocked and ill prepared for this in the small childrens hospital. This is one of the reasons why it is so important to go to hospital even if feeling better after using an auto-injector but also why you need a hospital with the right kit in case the drugs don’t suppress it fully and you are in a situation with anaphylactic shock (catastrophic loss of blood pressure).
We tried hard to put safeguards in place to stop him from being exposed to allergens and this failed. As a few of you suggested, the best solution will likely be driving, self catering and packed lunches and staying near a hospital. Whist it will take some of the ‘holiday’ out of the holiday - better that than what we experienced.
And I have full cover on travel insurance and have made them aware of his condition - as well as having a GHIC.
Thanks again everyone!
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