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| homers double wrote: |
In a complete turn-a-round my son is going skiing with school on saturday and hasn't left me with any suitable supervision barr his mother. This now means there is a complete lock down on the biscuit tin as I have no one else to blame.
If the toilet seat is up it can only be one person.
If there is a plate left on the side, who can it be???
Fart smell... Wasn't me! Oh yes it was... |
That is just not fair.....why do we have kids if they can bug off and leave you to accept the blame for all the stuff you do.
(I struggle with size 10 muddy boot prints on the carpet. should have had a kid with bigger feet.)
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| Hurtle wrote: |
| Oh dear, generalisations and prejudiced views galore, unwanted advice, rudeness, and just the odd beacon of light in the shape of a helpful suggestion. SnowHeads gold. |
I wasn't being g rude, just an honest opinion. I think a baby needs some to care for it where there is familiarity. I didn't ski for a few years until ours were old enough to join us on the slopes.
I don't think people should be castigated for having different opinions,particularly where child welfare is concerned.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@cameronphillips2000, hmm, I wonder if you or your wife were around 24/7/365 (or do I mean 52?) for 'the first few years' which is the implication of what you're saying. A few hours for a very few days are what's being talked about here.
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My wife gave up work which meant we struggled financially. We only ever left them with grandmother when they were very young. Wouldn't have dreamt of leaving them with a stranger. Even now, wouldn't leave the dogs in kennels, they go to someone they know well to avoid anxiety.
Its not rocket science. I went so see a friend and her new baby last year. It became most upset when not with its mother. Something very common.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Well it takes all sorts. And not everyone who doesn't follow your way is guilty of child abuse. By the way, did your children never get 'upset' even in your company?
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Is there any way this thread could be moved to mumsnet?
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I wonder, @cameronphillips2000, if you would have been prepared to stay at home and become a full time carer? Which is what my OH did, as a matter of fact.
There is no evidence that children are harmed by having more than one carer. Yes, a baby or toddler who has never left their mother's side will become upset if separated. I am proud to have been able to look after my grandchildren at that stage without causing any irreparable psychological damage.
As far as one can tell........ 
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@Guvnor, stirring it up......Shirley not 😁😁😁😁
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FWIW we took one of our with us because grandparents couldn't really cope with 2 very young ones. As many mummies stood crying at the Mark Warner creche as their precious little ones protest, we ran oast, rugby passed said infant into the arms of a nanny and rushed out to try and make the rope drop.
Why on earth not ski just to look after your kids when there is a viable alternative. In a couple of years you'll be choking on their twin tip spray anyway,
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| esaw1 wrote: |
| Is there any way this thread could be moved to mumsnet? |
Quite, many apologies this was not the purpose of the thread
| Frosty the Snowman wrote: |
| In a couple of years you'll be choking on their twin tip spray anyway |
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@SkiG, no apology required inc.
Perfectly sensible subject on which some become very holy.
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| pam w wrote: |
I wonder, @cameronphillips2000, if you would have been prepared to stay at home and become a full time carer? Which is what my OH did, as a matter of fact.
There is no evidence that children are harmed by having more than one carer. Yes, a baby or toddler who has never left their mother's side will become upset if separated. I am proud to have been able to look after my grandchildren at that stage without causing any irreparable psychological damage.
As far as one can tell........ |
yes I did that for four years.
Plenty of evidence suggesting increased anxiety in babies and children being separated from parents
My view is you don't have a baby, take them to another try and leave them with a stranger whilst you go off skiing.
This obviously touches a few nerves on here. It probably would. Wiki g is pretty middle class and us English middle class are known for our emotional retardation. Sending them off boarding school at an early age and all that. 'Never did me any harm's. And all that.
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horrified by how horrible some people have been to this person who was clearly seeking help not hatred.
i have had horrible comments on some posts i have made too about prices in NOrway, why are people so rude
just be nice or dont comment ....simple 
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You know it makes sense.
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I have no intention of being horrible to anyone.
20 years ago I would have put my kids with a nanny and skied all day. I met my wife, we had kids,she educated me a bit about children and babies and I began to realise that taking my baby to another country and leaving them with a nanny was probably not in their best interests. People still do it, through ignorance or selfishness. I believe it's wrong. I also spent twenty years working with children and parents so have a fair amount of knowledge in the subject.
My father was shipped to various carers and hoardings bills while this parents Continued to live the life they enjoyed. This affected him throughout his life and there are thousands like him.
So when Guvnor says look after your own child maybe he shouldn't be jumped on.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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I have no intention of being horrible to anyone.
20 years ago I would have put my kids with a nanny and skied all day. I met my wife, we had kids,she educated me a bit about children and babies and I began to realise that taking my baby to another country and leaving them with a nanny was probably not in their best interests. People still do it, through ignorance or selfishness. I believe it's wrong. I also spent twenty years working with children and parents so have a fair amount of knowledge in the subject.
My father was shipped to various carers and hoardings bills while this parents Continued to live the life they enjoyed. This affected him throughout his life and there are thousands like him.
So when Guvnor says look after your own child maybe he shouldn't be jumped on.
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Poster: A snowHead
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my post was not directed just at you! I am just saying that why dont people try and put their comments in a more understanding way. We dont know anything about the OP so how can we make just sweeping judgements
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Hurtle, I did last year. I managed to rescue several stranded  too! Snowheads Gold!
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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@Hurtle, and yes I'll be dropping in this year, hopefully with Patch and probably with the "kids".
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| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| pam w wrote: |
I wonder, @cameronphillips2000, if you would have been prepared to stay at home and become a full time carer? Which is what my OH did, as a matter of fact.
There is no evidence that children are harmed by having more than one carer. Yes, a baby or toddler who has never left their mother's side will become upset if separated. I am proud to have been able to look after my grandchildren at that stage without causing any irreparable psychological damage.
As far as one can tell........ |
yes I did that for four years.
Plenty of evidence suggesting increased anxiety in babies and children being separated from parents
My view is you don't have a baby, take them to another try and leave them with a stranger whilst you go off skiing.
This obviously touches a few nerves on here. It probably would. Wiki g is pretty middle class and us English middle class are known for our emotional retardation. Sending them off boarding school at an early age and all that. 'Never did me any harm's. And all that. |
No there's not. Quote it. Link to it. Give me scientific evidence that leaving a well socialised baby with a professional childminder leads to increased anxiety. In particular given that I have arranged for the nanny to come around the day we arrive and spend some time with him and us to make things easier.
The only true statement above is where you start with 'my view' because that is all it is
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| SkiG wrote: |
| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
| pam w wrote: |
I wonder, @cameronphillips2000, if you would have been prepared to stay at home and become a full time carer? Which is what my OH did, as a matter of fact.
There is no evidence that children are harmed by having more than one carer. Yes, a baby or toddler who has never left their mother's side will become upset if separated. I am proud to have been able to look after my grandchildren at that stage without causing any irreparable psychological damage.
As far as one can tell........ |
yes I did that for four years.
Plenty of evidence suggesting increased anxiety in babies and children being separated from parents
My view is you don't have a baby, take them to another try and leave them with a stranger whilst you go off skiing.
This obviously touches a few nerves on here. It probably would. Wiki g is pretty middle class and us English middle class are known for our emotional retardation. Sending them off boarding school at an early age and all that. 'Never did me any harm's. And all that. |
No there's not. Quote it. Link to it. Give me scientific evidence that leaving a well socialised baby with a professional childminder leads to increased anxiety. In particular given that I have arranged for the nanny to come around the day we arrive and spend some time with him and us to make things easier.
The only true statement above is where you start with 'my view' because that is all it is |
quite strongly written for something that is so wrong,
There is actually tons of research on this, most notably Mary Ainsworth and those who p8cked up the Hatton of her work.
Many experiments were conducted where parents and their child were introduced to a stranger and then the parents left. The tests were deemed unethical and debate raged because of the stress the t4sts were putting the children under.
Interestingly, the accepted view today is that the separation anxiety depends on the child and their parents. Those who had parents in th e with their needs, had 'secure' babies who naturally suffered stress when parent went. Parents who were not so in tune with their child's needs had 'insecure' babies who found separation less stressful. Obviously, these things are on a sliding scale of statistics.
So if you drop your kid off at your new nanny and you kid ain't too bothered, you probably need to look at your parenting...
Well there s a touch paper well and truly lit......
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@cameronphillips2000, is broadly correct. There is a linkage between childcare and attachment issues and subsequent oppositional and defiant behaviour. There is also a link between childcare and faster speech development, probably because children in nurseries are exposed to adult conversation more.
Thing is, you need to be leaving your child in lower quality childcare for many hours a week over the medium term in order to achieve this.
These are serious considerations if you are choosing between a day nursery and a nanny when a primary caregiver returns to work. It is a less serious consideration for a handful of hours while parents relax.
The flip side of this is that parents who are mentally shot are unlikely to be looking after their children particularly effectively. I cannot really remember the first six months of mini gorilla two's life. There has, at some point to be a balance between taking care of your child, work and relaxation - mainly so that you can accomplish the other two effectively.
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LMAO @cameronphillips2000, taking the moral high ground.
You still telling people to pretend to be a journalist in small resorts so they get a free lift pass and can blag a meal on the mountain?
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| jzBun wrote: |
LMAO @cameronphillips2000, taking the moral high ground.
You still telling people to pretend to be a journalist in small resorts so they get a free lift pass and can blag a meal on the mountain?
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I told them I review ski resorts. I did a review. Its got about 3000 views on YouTube and growing. They loved it.
Where's the problem?
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Ffs get a grip!
It's a weeks skiing holiday not a lifetime at boarding school.
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| Guvnor wrote: |
| @martinm, Not sure we've ever met? Someone might pop along and fill you in.... |
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!
Guvnor, you a bit 'andy then?
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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@cameronphillips2000,
Mate you really do belong on Mumsnet. Clearly have some unresolved issues to work out.
Honestly if I could delete this thread I would
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@SkiG, have a lovely holiday. I'm sure BabySkiG will have a lovely time too.
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Cheers @Hells Bells,
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You know it makes sense.
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| SkiG wrote: |
@cameronphillips2000,
Mate you really do belong on Mumsnet. Clearly have some unresolved issues to work out.
Honestly if I could delete this thread I would |
or. Maybe I don't have the issues a either people do. Definitely touched some raw nerves judging by some of the responses.
Asking parents to make sacrifices so as not to cause anxiety to their children isn't outrageous is it?
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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@SkiG, have a great time. Obviously ignore the people here who were removed from the breast too early.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Well, that's the baby sitting black market in tatters now.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@cameronphillips2000, suggesting that parents should make an effort to avoid causing their children anxiety is certainly not outrageous. But suggesting that the OP (who you don't know) doesn't care about his baby's welfare and should "look to his parenting" equally certainly is.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Quite and interesting thread this to read back,
One side of the debate
Putting forwards a logical, researched based argument about how many parents today want to maintain their lifestyle which can put unnecessary anxiety on their children.
The other side of the debate making personal attacks, using smokescreens and diversion tactics, trying to undermine the ethics of those involved in the debate.
Perhaps it's indicative of the relative values and personality traits of those on either side of the debate.
Parenting is difficult and stressful and everyone learns so the time. Possibly, some of the rather poisonous and personality so stuff written on here is from those harbouring inner guilt.
Maybe, in one hundred years time, leaving babies with strangers will be as socially unacceptable as smoking in the car with children.
Maybe not. But healthy beware should not be discouraged.
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@cameronphillips2000, you are a supercilious tw@t.
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Oh no....feeling terrible now about my kids attending play group and infant school.
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| Gerry wrote: |
| @cameronphillips2000, you are a supercilious tw@t. |
kind of proves the point above rather well really.
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Why is smoking in the car with babies socially unacceptable?
Gets them ready for a day outside Wetherspoons.
It's the drive home after a few I worry about: once I forgot the twins completely
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@cameronphillips2000, what do you count as a stranger?
Parenting is not that difficult. Parents that over parent are almost as dangerous as those that neglect their kids.
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| cameronphillips2000 wrote: |
Quite and interesting thread this to read back,
One side of the debate
Putting forwards a logical, researched based argument about how many parents today want to maintain their lifestyle which can put unnecessary anxiety on their children.
The other side of the debate making personal attacks, using smokescreens and diversion tactics, trying to undermine the ethics of those involved in the debate.
Perhaps it's indicative of the relative values and personality traits of those on either side of the debate.
Parenting is difficult and stressful and everyone learns so the time. Possibly, some of the rather poisonous and personality so stuff written on here is from those harbouring inner guilt.
Maybe, in one hundred years time, leaving babies with strangers will be as socially unacceptable as smoking in the car with children.
Maybe not. But healthy beware should not be discouraged. |
Hmm - they way it looks to me is that someone asked for some help and a small number of people not only don't come close to answering the question, but tell him he shouldn't be asking the question anyway.
Maybe me specs need cleaning or summat 
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